BEV loophole

[Birbao]

Hello everyone,
Over the Christmas break this week, I found out about a way of getting BEV for less. I'm writing this to ask if it's legal. I DON'T intend to write this as a way of breaking Canadian law. It's just out of curiosity towards BEV's business actions. I apologize in advance if this is the wrong place for me to post this.

My cousins both got BEV dishes with all the channels but pay only something like $22 a month. The reason is their friend legitimately subscribes to BEV and pays, I think, $70 a month. His friends all bought BEV systems under his name and they split the cost of the $70 monthly fee. So, in BEV's eyes, their friend owns 6 dishes and pays $70 a month. My cousins' homes are his fictitious cottage, fictitious trailer home, etc.

Since BEV allows you to own more than 1 dish/receiver (for example, 1 for your cottage, 1 for your trailer home, etc), and you are charged once (you can have 2 or 6 dishes but still pay only $70 a month). All dishes have a legitimate card, no cracks, hacks, or whatever.

At first I found this funny. Then suspicious. I could understand BEV allowing you to own maybe 3 dishes (how many houses can we all afford to have?) but 6?? I think maybe BEV is allowing this to happen so people like my cousins get hooked then eventually subscribe when later in the year BEV starts to pretend to first notice this and then crack down.

So, my question (sorry for the long post) is, is this method illegal? We all live in Canada. I am not thinking of doing this, just curious after reading the posts about the CRTC, Shiela Copps, etc.

[simple]

So, my question (sorry for the long post) is, is this method illegal? We all live in Canada. I am not thinking of doing this, just curious after reading the posts about the CRTC, Shiela Copps, etc


Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news... it is illegal..... your friend is defrauding BEV...... look at it like this....

If your neighbor has cable, and you tap into his line and pay half the bill is it fraud? yes.... I am sure and we both agree on this.

Dont f*ck with BEV they have more money then the cable companies to persue your friend....

so in short yes it is illegal.



Simple.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi People,

Yes simple is quite right and is on the money with this issue.

Anytime you deprive someone of a revenue to which they are lawfully entitled, you are defrauding them and thus it is against the law.

The reason you can lawfully receive the DirecTV® signal in Canada is because you are NOT depriving them of a revenue to which they are lawfully entitled. They are not lawfully allowed to sell here and purchasing their signal is not required according to courts in Canada BECAUSE they have no right to sell here.

This is a clear difference and should be understood. Just because you get away with something does NOT make it lawful. You HAVE to go by the LAW. Its sort of like shoplifting and not getting caught. But its NOT legal art all.

This is a no no and you are probably right, they may be sucking people in and will later hit them hard with threats of lawsuits if the other 6 don't subscribe. I would put absolutely no trick beyond these people but if you break the law, who are you going to blame if not yourself.

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Birbao,

Are you saying that Bev allows you to have up to six receivers in different locations for the price of one ? having trouble following you.


Most DTH companies allow you to have up to 6 receivers but must be all in the same household. One pays full price and the others pay $4.99


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[Birbao]

Yup, that's what I heard. I thought it was "too good to be true" and decided to stay away from it (it was just too weird).

Now all my friends want to do it but I'm glad I wrote my question here first. The example of splicing a neighbour's cable and splitting the cost of the monthly bill summed it up. It is illegal and it's preventing revenue to Bell.

Now I have to figure out how to break the news to my cousins!

I doubt they will cease but just out of curiosity, what would happen if BEV found them out? Would it just be a case of "give us back the dish or subscribe" or would they be fined/imprisoned?

[simple]

Seeing as how it would be considered a federal offense they could get Jail time and hefty fines....

But I believe that BCE does not want anymore bad press in realation to their holdings... So I think they might just make them all subscribe...

But it is hard to say... my crystal ball must be broken :)


Simple.

[Andrew8468]

If you call EVu and tell them you want to connect 6 receivers to one dish they are going to insist that all 6 receivers are connected to the same phone line to prove they are all in one residence.

BTW, EVu and SC do not currently charge for extra receivers.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Birbao,

I vote with Simple again on this. I think BEV would just want them to sign an agreement to take a major subscription each and possibly pay damages for the past in an agreed amount. I doubt if they would involve the Police and press RC charges. They are pretty much money grubbing and if they let this go it will be to enrich their coffers later on. If the cousins don't agree to do this they would likely sue them in a civil court for their estimated losses which would be a sub in the same amount as the first for each and for the time that the first box was subscribed. They would also probably get costs and possibly punitive damages as well.

I didn't know about Bev but I do know that Star Choice does NOT charge extra for additional receivers. My Mom is in an old folks home just down the street from me where they have Star Choice that I arranged for them and I got her a receiver so she can watch the channels of her choice and it did not cost a penny. I was very surprised at that but they just list her receiver on the bill N/C. They do have 6 receivers in that home and they are NOT all connected to the phone line either. Right now they don't seem to consider that important although they could at a later date.

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Ok so long as the receivers are in the same household there is no problem and they don't charge for the additional slave receivers as the Yanks do.


Shows you how dedicated I am to Bev ;)


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[qnx22]

I was chatting with a manager of Visions here in Vancouver and he said guys were coming in buying 10 receivers at a time several times a week. He thought they might be doing as above to get some of the Asian channels for their friends.

[chubba]

Originally posted by qnx22
He thought they might be doing as above to get some of the Asian channels for their friends.

Either that are else he's buying them to convert to DishNetwork and hack them.

;)