Important message for former North Sat customers.

[Dean_M_Love]

It appears from several posts that DirecTV has sent out numerous letters to our former customers, using information that was provided to them on a strictly confidential basis, with non-disclosure provisions.

If you have received such a letter, it would be in your best interest to contact me, and let me know. Especially if you are being threatened to settle with DirecTV on the basis of that information, or have settled with them. As apparently has happened with Vcipher, this information is being improperly abused by Scott Wilsdon and company to intimidate people into settling with DirecTV and soliciting them as customers.

Rather than make public posts in this forum (as I can understand the reluctance on behalf of some people to do so), please email me northsat@escape.ca so that I may assist you in protecting your rights and ensuring that you are not duped into believing this evidence is admissable in any court.

Be forewarned that when attempting to settle ANYTHING with DirecTV, make sure you have it IN WRITING before you give them ANY information or make ANY admissions. It seems they enjoy getting the benefit of information and technology on the basis of settlement, and once provided, change the terms of the settlement such that you may no longer be able to settle. Then they take the information you have provided in good faith and misuse and abuse it for their own purposes, AND continue to pursue you for monetary damages. Take it from me, this can and WILL happen.

[tunamandude]

here is an idea, eddie nothing bad to say to you but,maybe people should just ignore anything they get from dtv. if you get a letter from them just dont even open it throw it out, also why do you want people to contact you mr love? maybe you want to help out, ok eddie, make an hu unlooper for us, make a way to uplink to dtv bird and hash the crap out of the reg subs, do somthing for us again, why would you care what dtv does to your old cust, anyway, i thought they got you by the balls eddie, unless maybe you aint eddie.

[seymour_teevee]

This thread could get very interesting very quickly.

[incredible]

When someone wants to HELP don't look a gift horse in the mouth !!!

[tunamandude]

dont look a gift horse in the mouth? were is the gift? does this gift horse have anything to do with this thread?

[morgana]

Tunamandude
You really have no idea as to what people can and can not do after this the raid on Northsat. I would suggest you think real hard as to just what and why there would be a problem withDTV or any of the companies responsible for that deal, to use anything they found there. In short I believe it will show that in the deal Northsat made he did have provisions that protected his customer info. That I believe should lay to rest alot of the brain dead idiots that all they wanted to do was rag on about how hard done by they were. I do not blame Dean for anything that was done at that time. I think what he did and how he did it was in everyones best interests.

You now want to use guilt to get someone to risk his finacial well being, so your greed for an unlooper could be fullfilled. Shame on you.

Dean may or may not want to elaborate on the conditions of the deal and why some things are being broken I.E. Mackenzie lawsuit, that would be up to him. But if you think him suing their lawyer for $1,000,0000.00 for breaking the deal, is not also helping prove that deal is able to be up held in the courts then I guess you will never be satisfied with any proof.

As for Seymourteevee's comment that this thread could get interesting fast goes, I believe it will. If what I believe about the deal Northsat made is held up in our courts, then DTV is really going to be in a very large bind, and one that they will really want to settle out of quickly. But that is all for future events I guess.

[tunamandude]

well morgana i did not want you get your poop in a up roar, if dtv is contacting some of his customers all i said was throw away the mail, and as far as any deal he has made what does that matter, what if the person on the other end of this thread is not dean love aka northsat, what if its really dtv trying to get people to contact them thinking that dean had some kind of imunity for his customers, and im not greedy asking him to make an hu unlooper, maybe you right when you say im not looking at this the way you are, but isnt he not able to like do anything related to sat stuff like not even going on a site or post. if im wrong im wrong, maybe you know him, maybe he did write this but if you do get a letter from dtv whats wrong with just throwing it out?

[morgana]

He is not saying that anyone who ever did business with Northsat to e-mail him. Only those who get the letters. As for his deal I do not believe they can say not to go on the net, but they can restrict things that he can talk about in a very big way. I think you will see what the posts here are all about, have nothing to do with and code etc and more to do with legal actions against the people, he made his deal with.

I do not think he could ever comment on unloopers or card, and I do not think he has. I will leave it up to him to decide what he wants to say about his deal.

The probelm with just throwing the letter out is they will again send another one by registered mail and if you ignore that they send one about pending civil action. We have already seen this happen. They will take you to court, as we have already seen.

Now if people actaully get a letter from DTV lawyers and they send a copy of it to Dean. If there is some breach of his deal here, that might be able to end the whole thing. Sending him a copy of the letter would make no difference what so ever to the guys case, with in it own context. But if Dean can prove that this breaches their agreement. They would have some large consquences, and would probably cease their actions.

[gunsmoke2]

I believe he would want copies of the letters for legal purposes. I don't know the details of the Private agreement entered into court ? ( maybe not ) as they are strickly Private. Dean is implying though as I see it that the Private agreement is being broken in his view.


Northsat is out of buisness as a result of the agreement so I don't see any downfall to sending copies of letters or simply emailing him and let him know you received one. If he moves on this legally as it appears he will this cannot hurt past customers but rather may help.


Lawyers should always be contacted. I have suggested this in the past that receivers of these letters try to communicate.. organize and find a lawyer(s) to represent or answer your questions.. fees can be collected through donations and sent to a lawyer in trust.


We as Canadians have done this already and we can only suggest Americans look to do the same.


GS2

[seymour_teevee]

Originally posted by tunamandude
...what if the person on the other end of this thread is not dean love aka northsat,...

And, on the OTHER hand, what if it IS Eddie stirring the pot at DirecTV's behest? Didn't the terms of his plea allegedly include some generalized agreements to work with DirecTV?

[Dean_M_Love]

Please, do not confuse NDS with DirecTV.

There are issues from the NDS action, but I am not discussing those, and cannot discuss those publicly.

What I AM discussing here is DirecTV and Scott Wilsdon, a SEPERATE case from the one which was already settled (NDS with McKenzie).

They are the same subject matter but DIFFERENT cases.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi People,

I would like to say that as Dean says NDS and DirecTV® are two different entities but DirecTV® always try to have NDS interject on their behalf making it difficult to get information, even in a court. But in these threats it is DirecTV® directly who act because they want to get MONEY for a claimed loss!!!

DirecTV® and their lackeys have often used material that is illegally and improperly obtained to go against their own customers or anyone they can intimidate. This may WELL be the case in this instance. But they are often NOT successful as can be seen in the court dockets I have posted on legal-rights.

In the case of Vcipher, they (I was) were raided and information seized in 1998. That information was and is in the hands of the COURT and the court granted the RCMP permission to use it in the furtherance of an investigation of Vcipher. They did NOT grant the RCMP or ANY ONE any permission to give, sell or otherwise transfer this information to ANY other party. And since I have been acquitted of all charges concerning this, this property will be returned to me once the appeals process is over. In the meantime some of this information has turned up in Scott Wilsdon's hands (on behalf of DirecTV®). What is interesting is that the RCMP have sent my lawyers a letter stating THEY did not release it to anyone. If that is correct then how did this come into DirecTV® possession?

I have posted a large section on this at:

http://www.legal-rights.org/DTVBOX.html

and elsewhere on the legal-rights.org site so that people would KNOW that this information was improperly obtained and is NOT valid information and is rather FABRICATED, CONTRIVED and printed BY DirecTV® or their lawyers and is IMPROPERLY in their hands. This information should thus NOT be accepted as valid by any court since it is STOLEN PROPERTY and is wrongfully in DirecTV® possession. Furthermore the information is INCORRECT and erroneous.

I have recently sued the RCMP and DirecTV® for over 55 million dollars and part of that is because of this stolen property. I cannot be sure HOW it was obtained by them but it was NOT given or transferred to DirecTV® and Wilsdon in any way by Vcipher or Avantec and its representatives or directors, namely ME.

This issue will be the subject of discovery and this lawsuit and people should NEVER accept this as fact because a great deal of the information is inaccurate and much of it involves INQUIRIES by people rather than actual sales. It can HARDLY be an offence of any kind to inquire about anything.

The advice to throw away a letter is VERY BAD advice and if such a letter is received it should be attended to by contacting a LAWYER. NEVER contact DirecTV® yourself because they will use any method to get information they want about you and then use it AGAINST you.

These people do NOT follow the law in Canada and several courts have cited them as LAWBREAKERS here. Certainly as it concerns Vcipher, or Northsat (Eddie or Dean Love) or Computer Shanty or Vector technologies or ANYONE, they should NOT be trusted in any way and are KNOWN by me to be unworthy of any trust and are NOT beyond BRAKING the law to obtain their ends. They actually are in POSSESSION of STOLEN property in the Vcipher case and that is a felony offence. A company of which I am the President, Avantec whizpoppits, Inc is the OWNER of material that was STOLEN from us (by someone) and that property is illegally in the possession of DirecTV® and Mr. Scott Wilsdon, their lawyer.

I am NOT in possession of information about Dean Love or any other company and I do not and am not speaking for them but I do believe Dean when he says his agreements were broken. I would think that if any of his past clients have received a DirecTV® letter, there can be no reason not to contact him with that information. He may well be able to assist you, so why not. They claim to have information but perhaps that information is being used improperly by DirecTV®. I would NOT doubt that for a minute, personally.

People should do what they want to do but I am simply commenting because I do have some idea of what they are CAPABLE of. And that itself may be useful information for people who have received their intimidation letters that state FALSELY that they have PROOF that something was used illegally when that is NOT the truth at all. How could they POSSIBLY KNOW that a programmer was used illegally when it may have many LEGAL uses as can be seen at the Microsoft site at:

http://www.microsoft.com/HWDEV/TECH/input/smartcard/default.asp

Even products that COULD be used illegally may not have been used in such a way and it is improper to claim that they have PROOF of that when they DO NOT. An invoice does NOT prove anything and there are hundreds of reasons why that could be FALSE, INCORRECT, and misleading.

I am aware of some people who purchased something they found out was illegal in their country and so they THREW it in the GARBAGE rather than act illegally. Yet DirecTV® would state in a letter to that person that they used it illegally to steal TV which they obviously did not do.

Anyway I have said all of this before and if people want to be intimidated that is their business but do NOT accept their statement that they have PROOF as TRUE because no invoice constitutes PROOF. People who DID NOT do anything illegal should stand up for their RIGHTS and get all the help they can with that in mind. And if Dean is willing to help someone by E-mail (who has received the DirecTV® letter) then I think that is worthwhile looking into by anyone. In any case NOTHING should be done by anyone who receives a letter without a legal opinion which is every ones right to obtain.

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[gunsmoke2]

And, on the OTHER hand, what if it IS Eddie stirring the pot at DirecTV's behest? Didn't the terms of his plea allegedly include some generalized agreements to work with DirecTV?


Nice one seymour.. you are just stomping at the bit on this one aren't you.. you must be hyper ventilating..


GS2

[seymour_teevee]

"Hyperventilating"? I guess I was mistaken that your previous gentlemanly agreement to "move on" included an unspoken presumption to cease unnecessary and counterproductive sarcasm. Oh, well. I remember reading something on this forum at the time of Eddie's plea and elocution that one of the provisions was an agreement to work, as a paid "consultant" no less, with DirecTV/NDS on unspecified projects during the duration of his probation. If YOU have facts to the contrary, I'd appreciate reading them instead of your (also unnecessary and counterproductive) attempts to discredit me at every opportunity.

[gunsmoke2]

Sure I am a gentleman and I was the one who suggested that we stop calling each other names. Did I call you anything ? Moving on does not mean no discussions or debates.


I consider your comments in poor taste and expressed that by saying I do you think you are hyper ventilating on this. Its no secret you gloat on everyone who has a problem with DTV/NDS and you do stomped at the bit to jump in and try to add to it. I don't share your view or agenda and have no problem in saying so.


There was a Public agreement that in no way said that Dean had to work or was a paid consultant for NDS/DTV. There was no probation and no mention of projects. Seymour it has already been explained that Dean's settlement was with NDS and not with DTV so why do you continue to bring in DTV ?


You discredit yourself and has nothing to do with me at all. You are counterproductive displaying a role or an agreement with DTV/NDS to act counterproductive as you do. Unless you have another explaination for your behaviour.

Do you have an agreement with either DTV or NDS to work as a paid consultant on specified projects ?


GS2

[morgana]

Seymoreteevee
Now just for the sake of argument, lets say Dean is working for DTV(even though his deal was not with them). Now lets say I am an American citizen that has been sent a letter by DTV threatening me with civil action about a purchase I had made from Nothsat Technologies some years earlier. I not knowing how to contact Dean as his business is closed, decide to e-mail him a copy of this letter, asking what this is all about. Just how is that going to do my case any harm. Would it not be a normal reaction for someone who has had threats made about a purchase from a company, for that person to ask that company what all this is about. Hell I might even put in the e-mail that I was not sure even if that purchase was ever made, but here is the letter about their claim. Would that not help my case, and if Dean is on the up and up which only you believe he is not, he then can start his legal action against DTV and NDS etc for the pressure to have them cease and desist. Every letter makes it a new offence and the more they send the higher the settlement.

I guess that might make you think again about why e-mailing Dean with a copy of the letter as being bad. I think it would be good. Lets see now 1000 letters at $100,000.00 per pop (that is canadain dollars of course) so even using Canadian currency, that sure is a big incentive to get DTV to rethink what they are doing, isn't it?

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Everyone,

Is it not clear to everyone that Dean probably has other things to do than answer e-mails from people who are getting this obnoxious intimidation letter from DirecTV®. He may be offering to help people because he has a deep dislike for the improper actions of this bully who sends out these letters and who uses information that is improperly obtained.

In any case that is my take on it because I do PRECISELY THAT and maintain a complete section on this issue on legal-rights.org for exactly that reason.

The information that DirecTV® have about Vcipher, which is inaccurate and contrived by DirecTV® and/or its lawyers, is also stolen information and thus DirecTV® are the possessors of stolen property. Since I and Avantec own the property and we did not transfer it to DirecTV®, that makes it stolen property.

So do I like a company that use stolen information to attempt to get "justice" with their FILTHY HANDS from a court of law? To bully and intimidate people into thinking they have some "evidence" when in fact they DO NOT?

Please think about that.

Can these BULLIES say "Your honour, we stole or obtained this STOLEN property so we could try to show the "he" stole my TV signal." What an OUTRAGE!!! What if he is WRONG!!!

Does anyone think it is OK to steal information or property from one corporation so that they can claim that someone "stole" their TV signal. Why would a court even entertain HEARING from the THIEF or the POSSESSOR of stolen property, DirecTV® if they KNEW that. In Vciphers case the information (intellectual property) that is wrongfully in the possession of DirecTV® is STOLEN PROPERTY. Does the tern "possession of stolen property" ring any legal bells?

In Deans case it is apparently information that was NOT ALLOWED to be in their hands by a signed agreement or some such arrangement that I am not fully aware of. In any case the information is apparently IMPROPERLY in their hands and they are prohibited from having it. A Judge might also be interested in that IMPROPRIETY too.

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Especially folk who may want to defend against an improper lawsuit that is being "threatened" and may well later be brought against them. It might be nice to have an additional defence if you did nothing illegal that can be proven and not "speculated" on as these letters and a simple invoice do.

I can speculate too so what if you purchased a 3M card and when fedex brought it you had the Fedex man insert in in another envelope addressed to your cousin who recently retired to Costa Rica. Did you actually possess it, or use it illegally and is doing that for your "credit card less" cousin, illegal? I think a court may have to decide on that one, not a DirecTV® letter. But its ONLY speculation, just like their letter.

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[bqd25]

Any chance Dean has other motive(s) then charitable motive?

Hmmmmmm. $$$$$

[seymour_teevee]

Ah, bqd25, you're asking the politically incorrect question that some politically oriented administrators would rather you didn't ask. I've wondered the same thing myself. You might want to slip into your flame retardant leotards.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi bqd25,

I would think Dean could best answer this but I hope and suspect that he has 2 motivations.

(1) to help the people being sued as the material is not properly in DTV's hands and;

(2) to sue McKenzie, NDS or whomever it is who breached the agreement.

These people make a confidential argreement and then think that only the other party should not break the agreement but these "non disclosure agreements" work "BOTH WAYS". Its about time some of them had their A S S E S sued for breaching agreements and that in itself will make the necessary proof that is needed by these defendants to prove the data is improperly in DTV's hands.

So considering that, what is the difference what Dean's motives are if it helps both parties. What is it about a possible DUAL MOTIVE thast should bother anyone?http://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

Sometimes the REASON someone does a particular thing is not that important when two parties can benefit.
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[gunsmoke2]

bqd25,

Its a good thing that seymour hasn't seen your post yet. ;) I suspect when he does he will be sarcastic and suggest that some administrators are politically oriented and perfered you didn't ask.


I personallly have no problem with your post and question.



GS2

[freeman00]

If I remember correctly Northsat and NDS agreed that no 3rd party would be given any of Northsat customers information and its obvious that NDS has supplied this information to DRTV..

[To The Real King!!]

Right On Freeman,

That is my understanding too and I believe people should E-mail him as he has asked if there is any DirecTV® letter that claims the info comes from NorthSat or Eddie.

I believe that is what he was saying but since he has not re-posted his lawyers may have told him not to. But if that is the case (I don't know) that should not stop anyone from getting some help from him or assisting in STOPPING this improper contract braking transfer of info.

As I have said they view MUTUAL contracts as ONE WAY and think that only the other party has obligations but that is NOT the reality and the least anyone should do is put end to this and perhaps get assistance by Eddie (Dean) being able to prove the information is WRONGLY in their hands.

If that is done, WHERE is their evidence (as little as it actually is since an invoice is NOT PROOF) NOW??? They have NONE is where.

That's just my view on this since I would like to see people get some help in these bull---- actions. They have NO PROOF and they know it so that is why they BLUFF like they do
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[To The Real King!!]

Hi Folks,

As several people are writing me asking about NorthSat and letters they receive, I recommend that they write to Eddie (who IS on the other end) and tell him that you received the letter. McKenzie signed an agreement NOT to reveal any info on the information he seized from Eddy as part of an agreement and he was not permitted to reveal client info to them. So if you got the dreaded letter, please contact him as is requested at the start of this post.

If they have sent you the letter than there can be no harm done by that no matter what their "agent" Seymour says.

So while I cannot tell people what they should do, I do assure everyone that this is a legitimate request and that it should be considered. If you write me I will tell you that this SHOULD be done so you can shortcut one step by writing Deal (Eddie) directly. Advise him that you did receive the "threatening" tele-marketing lawyers letter and he will assist you with this.


Some of you have E-Mailed me saying the E-mail bounced back but it may have just been a server error. The correct address is:

CLICK HERE TO E-MAIL DEAN (northsat@escape.ca)

and that will get your E-Mail to the REAL DEAN LOVE. I have used that E-mail address for him for years so do NOT worry about what Seymour says. Since that is a MAILTO: Just click on the link and if your E-mail is set up correctly it will open a BLANK addressed e-mail for you.

If you are not set up correctly cut 'n paste this

"North Sat" <northsat@escape.ca>

People have noted that I have sued the RCMP and DirecTV® for $56 million dollars and many lawyers who have clients that were sued or got the letter because they were Vcipher clients are NOW using my lawsuit to request a STAY of proceedings until this is resolved. As the lists they have are stolen property and do NOT come from me, this will be very helpful to them.

Who knows what assistance Dean will be able to offer if they are NOT supposed to have this information and thus could not act on it. I don't think most folks here want to ASSIST Davehttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif
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[Marmaduke]

I attempted to email using the address listed but each attempt was sent back. Any assistance would be appreciated.
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