access-card

[pyrateatsea]

does anyone know if a company called access-card turned over any information to dave, or had any stolen from him in a raid. or, has anyone who purchased equip. from them received a letter. i noticed that there site has been down for a while, but they say that this is due to the fact that they "are no longer having any fun".

[aunt bea]

I believe access-card has been shall we say, "compromised". Do not be surprised if you have dealt with access-card in the past to recieve a letter.

[BubbaHill]

How could you possible know that Access-Card has been
" Compromise " ? I still think you work for Dave. You
have made 3 posts, and in his favor, "so to speak"!
These scare letters mean nothing. Dave just lost another round
in California court. I can't find them winning any case what so
ever, except those people who don't show up in court.

[aunt bea]

C'mon Bubba, everything I have said on this board has been consistant with everyone else's advise concerning the letter. Talk to a lawyer and get someone on your side. If I was Dave, I would be encouraging everyone who has recieved a letter to call Geer, Herz and Adams LLP, throw themselves on the mercy of the court and spill their guts. I have said no such thing. As for access-card, Doc DeBug has a link that suggest it has been targeted, http://64.246.7.185/2a.htm , click on the ? and scroll to the bottom. I am not here to flame, just trying to help those that have recieved the letter. If you think I work for Dave after reading the above, I will quit responding to this board.

[seymour_teevee]

Bea, don't let yourself get riled by delusionals in denial that there are U.S. dealers and secondary dealers with their butts in a legal sling these days. The raids are real. The seizures are real. The sites being shut down are real. The letters, going out to individuals, may or may not bear fruit. Time'll tell.

[pyrateatsea]

thanks for the input- didnt mean to start anyone to feudin'. does the method of payment have any bearing on having a letter sent to you- i.e. if i live in the states and payed a canadian dealer using a canadian money order instead of pay-pal or credit card- does this make a difference?

[seymour_teevee]

Originally posted by pyrateatsea
does the method of payment have any bearing on having a letter sent to you- i.e. if i live in the states and payed a canadian dealer using a canadian money order instead of pay-pal or credit card- does this make a difference?

It all depends on whether the money order can be traced back to the money order purchaser's real name and address. Even that wouldn't be proof that the money order purchaser was one and the same as the device purchaser, but it could prompt further investigation.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi guys,

Dave is sending these threatening letters on a massive scale and are not going to look at any complicated one very carefully. The moment it begins to cost too much they will just move on to the next one.

He has not been doing too well with these and Judge Real just threw out the entire California cases of the first 80 people they sued. He says that there is no longer any justified cause of action in this case and its now closed.

That means they lost the whole thing except for those who fessed up to illegal actions and spilled the beans. There probably were ONLY a few who were operating illegally anyhow. They only managed to intimidate a few people out of the 80 however, so they lost a bundle on that one.

See http://www.legal-rights.org/caseover.html for the legal documents that state this.

I don't know if anyone has any idea of just how big a loss this is for Dave. Firstly he alleged RICO in an attempt to use the California courts against defendants all across America. That was laughed at by the judge and he immediately dismissed all RICO charges completely. Then he dismissed a very large number of these 80 cases for "lack of personal jurisdiction" which means they took the action in the wrong place. Then he dismissed a BUNCH of the cases and awarded costs against Dave and now he dismissed the entire thing.

I think about 4 of the defendants made agreements with Dave to pay him a few grand and take a large subscription and agreed to a LARGE fine from 100 thousand to 400 thousand if they ever do piracy again. And then they LOST against all the rest.

If they continue to do that well in other jurisdictions where they have even less "proof" they will go broke with this.

In addition they are pissing off a LOT of customers who did hold subs and may have considered piracy at one time but gave up on it. That was the idea when Dave encouraged piracy anyhow but he is not smart enough to see that his scheme did work with some people. These are subs who pay every month and they are NOT happy campers. Besides this they will NOT do well in any jurisdiction if people do not plead guilty because they really do NOT have the needed proof and its more of an intimidation than anything and is not scaring that many people as they had hoped it would. Dave underestimated people's intelligence in the year 2002 and his mind is stuck in 1965 or something like that.

On top of all this it has resulted in VERY BAD PUBLICITY for them and may be hurting their business quite badly. Here is , for instance, what Forbes says about these threats. Remember that Forbes is VERY Credible and apart from all the rest of the BAD things they say about DirecTV®, they clearly state that its no wonder that people hijack their signal since they are OVERPRICED. That is a pretty negative and amazing statement.

That is NOT the kind of publicity that people like DirecTV® want.

Have a look at what else they say at:


http://www.legal-rights.org/newspapers/forbes.html

I predict that someone at Dave will come to their senses, realize this bull S H I T is not a good idea and will drop the whole project. They started this entire piracy thing by WANTING a bit of it because it was GREAT for equipment sales (especially against Charlie in the early days) and they felt they could secure the signal later just like GI did in C-band. Many of their people came from that school.

But it BACKFIRED and all they did was teach people HOW to do it themselves and as the cards they use are not even remotely secure and are the equivalent of using a kids bicycle combination lock on a Manhattan bank door, they have found themselves in a BIG PICKLE. They will realize, I believe, that the actions they have taken is not the correct solution to their problem and realize that they instead need to secure their signal properly. Since Charley has bought them out and is much smarter than they are, I believe he will take steps to do that if the merger goes through.

So Dave is a LOSER in all of this so far and I don't believe that they can remain so far off the mark much longer.

But that's just my personal opinion but usually GIANTS don't stay stupid forever and GI eventually took the correct steps to protect their signal in 1992 and it has not been hacked since. If Charlie can help it, I believe he will do the same thing which is a MUCH more sensible approach from a business standpoint.

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