end of pirate's den/supreme court ruling!

[captainAl]

I know this doesnt belong in this forum, but everyone should go readup on the canadian freedom forum about the supreme court ruling today. Does this mean the end of the den? if so, where will we meet in the future, and how will we find each other...

I dont mean to speculate or cause a panic... but we need to address this immediately before/if this site gets shut down...

check out http://www.dsschat.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=123243

Im hope I'm just panicing, and I'm no lawyer but this thread scared me: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020426/6/m11s.html

given the gravity of this situation, i thought i should post this in the popular 'emulation' forum....

Im curious to see what Risestar has to say.....

[captainAl]

Here's what rise has said in 'across the bow'

What this means for this site is that we will now have to re-evaluate the operation of the site and make it totally compliant with the Canadian Charter and possibly remove some elements that are not protected by the Charter, such as file downloads etc.

[jvboo]

To all our friends north of the border we want you to know we are still pulling for you in the Supreme Court case even though the ruling went against you 7-zip. Just like down here, it looks like big bucks trumps about everything else. Keep up the good fight since the lower courts seemed to act more sensibly in this matter. "It ain't over till it's over!"

jvboo

[BigDog4All]

If we all say in touch and keep this fight alive, against Dave, then it might not be as bad as everyone thinks. Yes, the Files Download Section is great. But helping eveyone, is even better. We just need a different way of moving the files around, that's all. So keep the people together is first and formost. Now if the ruling says, we can't even discuss this Hobby, then that's a different story. But I don't think Canadian politicians are as corrupt as American. Only in Amerika, do we try to ban everything, including thought.

Keep the Den alive, and have offshore files, and the trust of many to make sure they get passed around. But then again, the azzhole politicians, might even want to ban the Internet, as a whole.

What will tomorrow bring?

[Sgt_Stedenko]

But I don't think Canadian politicians are as corrupt as American.

I'm not so sure about that. :(

[jvboo]

Big Dog: I spent two great years serving on exchange duty with the Canadian Forces (Air Force)in Batotville, Que. when we were flying CF-101's, back in the late 1960's. I agree that our politicians are corrupt but I resent the underlying "Amerika" inference which somehow infers that we down south are all corrupt. I sincerely doubt that our politicians are any worse than yours and I will repeat from a previous post, that money is the driving force in all of this; whether it is a Canadian Supreme Court decision or a U.S. court decision. Someone else posted a good message about corporate greed and indeed, that is the bottom line. Let's keep anti-U.S. and anti-Canada rhetoric out of our discussions. I also want to say that I was deeply saddened, as were all Americans, by the recent loss of Canadian military personnel in a screw up in Afghanistan. May your fight against the Supreme Court decision be fruitful. Let us be friends first and last. If this post should not be here, then the mod can wipe it out.
Thanks for listening.

jvboo

[Sgt_Stedenko]

FYI, BigDog4All is American.

[BigDog4All]

I don't even think he read it...

I wont break it down for you, that's not my job.

[jvboo]

I realize that the Big Dog is revered on this site and anyone who dares to disagree with his pronouncements is automatically viewed as an outsider. However, I don't feel that anyone, be they American or otherwise, should make, in my opinion, statements like I read on Big Dog's post. We in this country are fighting at this very moment for the principles we believe in and I am sure that the majority of people in the United States do not believe that we have "thought control" here. I recognize we have problems, many of which are caused by our corrupt politicians, but the rank and file Americans are still decent, law-abiding citizens and have the opportunity to vote the rascals out. I also realize this is not the place to debate such issues but having served this country for over 20 years in war and peace, it gets my dander up when I read something like a "ban on thought". Get real.

jvboo

[chevychompers]

Originally posted by jvboo
However, I don't feel that anyone, be they American or otherwise, should make, in my opinion, statements like I read on Big Dog's post.

HeHe. Now that don't sound very American to me. Freedom of speech bro. No need to get :mad:, just agree to disagree. :(

[red423]

You know bigdog I agree with you, living down here In Miami and I am not ashamed to say it I flew too for my thought controlling UNCLE except we mostly flew C141's loaded wiyh dope into Homestead AFB, thats right, so to me the Canadian's are really virgins when it comes to what we do here. I feel for them in this fiasco but Money drives this pirate machine so I am not to concerned about their court decisions or rulings as they never worked here so what makes anyone think they'll work there?? Hell the sheriff in the next county up used to cook his own crack cocaine for distribution in the crime lab(just do a search). red423

[conexn]

Well to try a move off the subject of who is American or Candian we still have to pull it together and find out where we can host our files to keep this part of the hobby alive.

[hitme101]

Yeah..What would be wrong with files coming from a private source...PM,E-mail,offshore..etc?

[Bohanjian]

PM's would be fine, but a solution is to move the server offshore. Business is considered conducted at the source of the transaction and many cases in "internet" or digital law consider that at the server. As for the exchange of information, nothing in judgement covers that and that should include the software but that certainly may be considered a tool for obtaining illegal reception and at least is an argument. A simple solution would be to move the server, but that is a royal pain in the backside. The other thing the site has to worry about is the lost revenue from advertising dollars lost to canadian dealers shutting down. I have no idea how they are paid here monthly or yearly so this site and its bandwidth must take some significant money to upkeep and with advertisers going down they may need donations. I hope a successful appeal and/or a moratorium/injunction happens soon. Certainly seems like a first admendment infringement in the US, but I don't know how the works up north. I hope for the best.

[mijyreppils]

Someone on the den, a smart programmer, should modify a software package like WinMX, Bear Share, or iMesh (used now for MP3 file sharing). Just checked WinMX - you can specify "Any non-MP3 file" in the search engine. Currently no one is online sharing "rockemu" or "kaylna."

If the search engine code is modified somewhat, one could search specific categories (Dish, H, Hu, Emu, etc.), find the file in question, and link directly to someone else's machine (peer-to-peer). This would eliminate the "where to locate the server" question.

Just my .02 worth.

Best regards,
Jim

[weezil]

If you have dss files on your computer and put them up to share on a peer to peer basis, that would be asking Dave to bring a lawsuit against you.

That is if you are living where it is illegal to use said files.

[BrainDamage]

Originally posted by BigDog4All
I don't even think he read it...

I wont break it down for you, that's not my job.

I was reading that post, wondering what in the heck he was talking "aboot". Hey, BigDog4All, you'd better check that passport before jvboo has you converted.

By the way, I saw a memo about this whole mess in Clinton's old office... I have to wonder..

[BrainDamage]

Originally posted by red423
You know bigdog I agree with you, living down here In Miami and I am not ashamed to say it I flew too for my thought controlling UNCLE except we mostly flew C141's loaded wiyh dope into Homestead AFB, thats right, so to me the Canadian's are really virgins when it comes to what we do here. I feel for them in this fiasco but Money drives this pirate machine so I am not to concerned about their court decisions or rulings as they never worked here so what makes anyone think they'll work there?? Hell the sheriff in the next county up used to cook his own crack cocaine for distribution in the crime lab(just do a search). red423

I live in Miami as well. I don't know what you mean when you talk about the "county" above ours... The last I checked we don't have a government, we have a banana republic run by corrupt people who do nothing more than steal and cheat the public. And, no matter how hard we try, there is always another "ref-u-yee" to take their place..

I of course say this all in jest, because I agree with you... I just had to vent a little too about this great place we call Crime-ami.

[The Dutchman]

First ~~~ I will say that i am a rael newbie and am caught in a middle of learning the basics of emulation, i have a working system and thanks to people like Kalyna ,PGM , AOL9999, and so many more that were alwasys ready to help with programs and answers , and yes this goes out to you the members who took time to lead us in the right direction ,thanls especially to you Big dog , i have spent 99% of my time at this machine ~~READING and learning , yes . . . I do have a system that IS up and still running , I also say to those that when i do post a letter here that i am NOT complaining as some have TRYED to read into my posts , i do hope this clears that up ! I am very interested in constructive info as to what is the battle plan for the future ( in the world of emulating ) questions like , will there still be posted hash fixes , what is the status of HU emulation and stuff like that , I enjoy this hobby , and i will go off with this ~~~~ Its not the winning or loosing ~~~ The fun is in the chase ! ( and sticking it to Dave ) dont flame me im just a old man ha ha :gg

[mijyreppils]

Originally posted by weezil
If you have dss files on your computer and put them up to share on a peer to peer basis, that would be asking Dave to bring a lawsuit against you.

That is if you are living where it is illegal to use said files.

Hmm. I suppose you're right. But the burden would be on Dave to 1.) hire enough people to find peer-to-peer violators, 2.) enlist enough law enforcement to write out search warrants and visit peoples' homes/businesses, and finally 3.) prove you are using files illegally.

Personally I'd feel better if the files were kept offshore or in another country rather than have them reside on my pc. That being said, if the *.mp3 police ever show up, I'm in big trouble. "Excuse me officer, I need to format c: before I let you in..."

I was just thinking there must be other ways to share information, if "File Downloads" are eliminated from the DSS sites (and some folks have already shut down). IM'ing and PM'ing people for files will be such a pain in the a**.

As an aside no one this weekend was sharing Kaylna or Rockemu on WinMX.

Best regards,

Jim

[Psycho99]

Hmm. I suppose you're right. But the burden would be on Dave to .....

Well, he's done that with the help of the FBI and other government agnecies. Hell, their "operation smartcard" costed local and federal agencies (& taxpayers) a lot of $$$...exactly how much, i'm not sure, but i beleive that there were only a HANDFUL of convictions....so they have no prob spendings thousands of taxpayers/ money goin' after a few folks.....

~~The Psycho

[thebrain58]

That being said, if the *.mp3 police ever show up, I'm in big trouble. "Excuse me officer, I need to format c: before I let you in..."
hope it never happens but if it does . . . DO NOT let them in without a warrant, period! if they say they have a warrant ask for your copy while the old lady reformats. LOL