RCMP Bullies...

[simple]

Now I am by no means extremly in tune with the legal side of our business....but I do have a question concerning what it is we do.....

The RCMP is obvisouly hired as corporate thugs meant to enforce what corporate canada says they should and pays them for. this brings me to my question..

They (The Courts and RCMP)say using the datastream Dave provides to us here in Canada is illegal. But it only seems logical if we cant purchase it here how can we steal it? It is like going into a store and stealing a loaf of bread that does not exsist. If that loaf was on the shelf and I took it then it would be considered theft. But I cant be charged for stealing something that is not on the shelf.

Am I correct in this assumption? or is there something I am missing?

The RCMP needs to stop selling their souls to big biz and stop wasting our federal tax dollars on such a lame and fruitless cause and get back to the things that really affect us as Canadians, Like the mis-managment of federal funds designed for use in Job creation. This is the real theft that is happening in Canada.....Jean and his lacky's have stole more money from anyone else and they get away with it. Do you see the RCMP raiding Jean's house to look for records he holds concerning the amount of money his home riding recived from this so called boondoggle fund? I think not.

So here is a hint, when it comes to the federal election folks, we need to make sure we elect someone with enough morals to ensure the right thing is done within his house before coming and raiding ours.

[gunsmoke2]

The Royal Farcets have their strings pulled by Industry Canada Moronics.

Corporate thugs are of course ExpressPuke and Starjerks who sleep in the same kingsize bed with the Moronics..

All together they have made the number threat to Canada's National security is watching US signals delivered by Satellite.

Many courts have declared it Legal for basically your explaination..no one is selling it.. you can't buy it..

There is no lawfull provider of DTV or Echo in Canada therefore the conclusion of most of the courts that its legal..

This is a very shamefull and patheic abuse that makes me embarrashed about my country.

GS2

[megados]

I think it's too bad that Peeps in authority (?) spend all this time and effort on stuff like TV. If they would spend their high priced time on matters like violent crimes and the like, maybe the world could get to be a better place. The idiots just wanna make the EASY money, by being a proxy nuisance for their BIG MONEY benefactors. In Canada, you can't subscribe, so why don't they leave it alone? They're just pi$$ed that someone is watching TV ! In the US, if they don't want someone to get their signal, they should be more selective about where it lands. It's like if every day you drove past my house and threw some money in my yard, then tried to tell me not to use it ! Yeah, RIGHT! If you don't want me to spend the money, QUIT THROWING IT IN MY YARD!!!

[To The Real King!!]

Hi simple,

Yes your essentially correct BUT you have made one BIG error.

It is the RCMP incompetence given them by Industry Canada (probably bought AND PAID for) who say this and NOT the courts.

Only the court of Mr. Gibson in the federal court found this absolute prohibition (the Federal court has NO jurisdiction over Criminal law, the case DID NOT concern Access cards) and several other courts have found just the OPPOSITE. The Supreme Court of Canada in R v. Fulop found that a LINK must exist between the alleged “theft” and the ability of the programmer to collect a lawful fee and this link is a crown burden that CANNOT be made.

Have a look at http://www.legal-rights.org or just click on MY banner below and that well take you there to see the actual rulings.

Interesting is that IF there is an “absolute prohibition” then HOW do Bell ExpressVu and other Canadian programmers get the signal? YES they have a broadcasting licence to UPLINK BUT they have NO RECEPTION licence. For RECEPTION they come under sections 9 and 10 of the RC Act just like everyone else and the ABSOLUTE, if correct, would ALSO include them.

I think they have a problem with this now and I expect to see injunctions fly on it quite soon :)

Did anyone notice how our wonderful RCMP just hopped in bed with the ROYAL BANK to offer securities to members JUST in time for them to admit FRAUD in the stock market. Wonderful ethics and choice of partners on the part of the RCMP. They certainly have a KNACK for choosing CRIMINALS to go to bed with. Almost as good as their SKILL at horseback riding DUH!!!!


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And getting RID of the incompetent and CORRUPT LIE BERALS is why I have the mention and banner of the Canadian Alliance in every one of my posts. While they may or may not disloge the liberals they certainly MAY be able to prevent them from getting a “I can do anything I want” majority. Thats WHY all Canadians should VOTE for Canadian Alliance and preserve our Democratic country. Its building and its THAT important!!! And no other party is in sight.

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[Edited by To The Real King!! on June 26th, 2000 at 12:28 AM]

[dssturbed]

the only law you are breaking is conflict of interest...no such law but it is in the minds of express and star...they assume everyone with an american sat is a potential subscriber of theirs...hence all the commotion...big business did not get there by being honest...corporations care only about income from people...not people themselves...do you think bill gates thinks about all the people he is helping when his software is sold...corporations are trying to change laws or the way they are to be perceived...that is what this commotion is about...MONEY...it is a powerful tool...people have died for it....corporations live for it...anything or anyone is expendible when it comes down to it...get used to it...it is now a way of life...

[SammyBoy]

TTRK,

I'm new to this whole dt* piracy thing. Could you explain to me what happened to cause you all these legal troubles.

Thanks!

[jckstrw1]

TTRK

When you are ultimately victorious, is the government responsible to cover your legal fees? Is it something you have a right to sue for? Being from the US, I don't know how it works in Canada.

Also, are there any local newspapers, or news organizations following this trial up there that I could log onto to see how this case is being reported. I would be interested to see what kind of "spin" is being put on this case.

Good luck, we're rooting for you.
-jckstrw1

[To The Real King!!]

Hi jckstrw,

Unfortunately the law in Canada and the US are similar in that the police are ALLOWED to make er.... mistakes. So you have to be able to prove maliciousness and not just error. They hide behind the error part and unless they get caught in a payoff, there is really no right to WIN a suit against them, if they acted lawfully errhump!!.

However FORTUNATELY in my case I believe we have solid evidence of that maliciousness. I cant reveal that here but suffice it to say that once vindicated I will be devoting ALL my resources in every way to recover my losses and those of ALL Canadians. If the industry wins in general (which I strongly believe we will) then I will head up “Class action” suits against the RCMP, the Government, individual officers who have acted badly, and the monopoly broadcasters who advised Canadians that they were lawbreakers and used THAT falsehood to get them to do their “AMNESTY” which in itself implies something they have no authority to grant anyone. Since when do private corporations give people “amnesty” for anything.

The BEST part is that these are all organizations that CAN and WILL HAVE to pay for all their losses in the courts and as a result there are several big law firms who will be quite interested on a contingency basis :)

Information on my case and what happened can be seen at

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and reading that and other information on the site will bring newbies up to speed on these issues.

Hope this helps everyone interested.


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[Edited by To The Real King!! on June 29th, 2000 at 11:03 PM]

[thegumby]

There is a extremely good article in the National Post "Business" July 2000 issue. It is called "GREY MATTER" it deals with the RCMP cracking down, raiding and seizing of equipment from Canadian dealers in the Satilite sales of DTV units.
The National Post "BUSINESS" is published from 425 Bloor Street East, Toronto, Ontario M4W 3R5 416-386-2828

[gunsmoke2]

Yes, its a very good article.. was in the works since 1999..

You can view it on Legal-rights site..

GS2

[northstar]

After reading several of the pending lawsuits, as well as the past judgements (Canadian Legal Rights website), it seems that the RCMP and gov't. are trying to convince the courts that it is illegal for a person to decode/receive ANY satellite signals that are not from a licensed Canadian source (i.e. they're not arguing the issue of stealing).
Amazing as this may sound, that's the way some of the communists in this country think.
Fortunately, at least one of the judges has said that this would put us in the same position as Russia or Cuba where people were sent to the Gulag if they owned a short wave radio and received signals from any source other than communist sactioned sources. One judge also commented that if the legislation (regarding which signals are illegal to decode or receive) was meant to include non-Canadian sources, then it would have said so. According to the judge, the legislation enacted by Canadian parliament does NOT mention non-Canadian sources so the law cannot be interpreted as including non-Canadian sources. Therefore, someone who decodes/receives a satellite signal from a non-Canadian source - licenced or not licenced - is fully within their rights.

[simple]

Very interesting in the degree in which some of you express your views concerning the RCMP and their unlawful and defacing tatics. The RCMP needs to stop selling their souls to to big biz and realize that they are here to "Serve and Protect" the Canadain PUBLIC, as they would have stated in thier oath before becoming officers of the law, nowhere have I ever heard the oath being " To rape and pilage those other the Bell and the rest of big biz" and the public has degreed we want D** in CANADA!!! but do they care about serving us what it is we as Canadains want? I want to give mad props to our freedom fighters such as TTRK for the stresses and resources they are giving up so we as the CANADIAN PUBLIC can watch whatever the hell it is we want to watch, without our elected politions and the RCMP tell us what WE have to watch...I say we all need to support TTRK in his endevours as he is fighting for us all and our FREEDOMS as Canadians are at risk if we give up and let them think that we will just sit by the side of the road and let them tell us what it is we can and cant do. I for one am cutting a check to TTRK as an expression of thanks for fighting for my freedoms, Garunteed to me under our Charter of Rights..

Mad Props and Prayers to TTRK

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Northstar,

You have understood the rulings quite well. Its interesting that all of this can be said by a criminal court judge or (several of them) and yet the government continues on their communist thinking ways and try's to enforce and reinterpret what the Judicial system SAYS is legal. Can anyone imagine such a confused and mixed up country. And with those TWO opposing views, how does a Canadian citizen know WHAT to obey.

Well to MOST of us, we always thought the Police (RCMP) were there to ENFORCE the law as made by Parliament and interpreted by Judges in courts. But it SEEMS that its the RCMP who want to make the law and Canadian citizens who pay the price. Ridiculous!!



Hi Simple,

You sir are quite right. It is said that our RCMP sold their promotional rights to Disney (they actually did) and then sold their SOUL to DIRECTV. And many thanks to all for the good wishes. We will give them all we got!

The ONLY problem I have with that is WOULD they not have to HAVE A SOUL to be able to sell it?? Those A S S HOLES have no soul. They LONG ago became the property of Corporate Canada and could care less about her citizens or anything but "big business'..

They are not ALL like that but the general standard in that force is pretty PISS POOR.

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Aint he CUTE!!! Or ACUTE!!!


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[Edited by To The Real King!! on July 18th, 2000 at 05:21 PM]

[Pony]

I think the government is just pissed because they haven't figured out a way to tax this grey market!

[zat]

World peace begins by eliminating the boundries and borders which devide our planet into socially competative pieces of the pie. It's seems countries govern their people and educate them to refuse and dissmiss the beliefs of other countries in order to create a "MY WORLD IS BETTER THAN YOUR WORLD" society. I think that we as Canadians don't see the "BIG" picture when all we do is sit on our duffs and argue "Why does the government care...It's only TV?". I feel the larger issue here is the competativeness that we as a planet share. If we were to merge the pieces of the pie and govern ourselves as a whole, this urge to be "BETTER" than the "OTHER GUY" would subside. Then the real issue would be "HEY! He's STEALING television programming!" rather than "Why is he watching AMERICAN tv?".

I dunno if this makes any sense. Perhaps what I am trying to say is too confusing even for myself to understand and pass along. If you get what I mean - kewl. If you don't - kewl also!

[gunsmoke2]

The Government is pissed because they thought by now they would have gotten rid of all us by now..

They underestimated some of us..

And we might even be turning the tide.. waiting for the BC appeals Decision..

They thought that they would have destroyed all of us by now..

TTRK.. myself.. and a few others are giving them a battle they didn't expect.. they ripped us apart.. financially.. emotionally.. everyway possible..

But we are still here.. you PATHEIC MORONIC IDIOTS..

Right now there is nothing more important in my life..

I want to win.. then SUE them all..
thats the type of determination some of us have..

Win or lose I will never forget the few who have sacrificed everything.. you know who you are.. and you are all heroes in my books.

GS2