CSDA - Canadian Satellite Dealer Alliance

[dssmatrix]

We have started CSDA - Canadian Satellite Dealer Alliance.
All we want is your support, no money. All you have to do is email dealeralliance@yahoo.com

We have already had statements to the CANADIAN PRESS published in the TORONTO STAR. We have many more statements to make, and hope all of you will support us. Email us saying "YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT" and include your email address.

Hope to hear from you soon!!!!

DSSMATRIX TEAM

[kevmetric]

My take on the matter, is very simple.

Indeed, THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH !!!!

My take on the matter, is very simple.

Indeed, THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH !!!

The attitude of ppl receiving Direct-TV from the USA,
and/or other signals abroad, is that you need to
pay for what you use.

I have no issue with people getting a Dave receiver,
paying $40 per month, to the USA, for the programming
bundle, and enjoying television. Because you are
paying to the creators, for the programming you
enjoy.

However, by hacking the signal, and getting 200 channels
for the price of hte basic subscription, whether this
is in Canada, or in the USA or elsewhere, this is clearly
misconduct, like a homeless person breaking into your
garage and sleeping in your car, or listening to music,
downloaded off the net, with Napster, Kazaa, Morpheus
or AudioGalaxy. This is misconduct. And the legal system
must address the losses borne by the companies, artists,
and creators.

If you don't get this arguement, I would like to know how
you feel, if someone walked into your house, from the street,
opened your icebox, grabbed a beer, a hot dog and a bun,
and cooked it, all on your expense. Ain't gonna happen, folks!

Same thing with hacking signals... ain't gonna happen,
that this is legal.

But, as I've said above, if you pay money to Dave, for your
channels, and you are in Canada, I disagree with the CRTC
that they can stop you from doing that. The CRTC needs to
be abolished, and freedom allowed in television programming,
subsidies to Canadaian Radio and TV stopped, not only
due to the wasted money, nonsense concept of it, but also
because nobody is watching it. I haven't listened to 60 minutes
of continuous FM Radio programming in the last 5 years, here
in Canada, because it stinks. I watch CNBC, and CBC Newsworld,
however, probably because it's more customer -service driven.:Z

[chubba]

I must agree with the above post.

[GhostDog]

Originally posted by kevmetric
My take on the matter, is very simple.

Indeed, THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH !!!!



i'd love to know how all these 1 post wonders are just popping up here suddenly with this all this hollier-than-thou morality crap, getting a little tired of this...:R

[SatStuffDirect]

e-mail address keeps getting returned ... just me?

[dssmatrix]

Originally posted by GhostDog


i'd love to know how all these 1 post wonders are just popping up here suddenly with this all this hollier-than-thou morality crap, getting a little tired of this...:R

I agree, what is this bull***t.
Kevmetric, you are trying to say that you have never downloaded anything from Napster, Kazzaa, or anyone of those sites right!!!
You seem to know that they all exist. Even if you did download a few songs, are you saying everytime you play those downloaded songs, you send a royalty check to the artists. AND, tell me DTV is not running in your house. If it isn't, why are you even posting on this site?
Gimmie a break. You proved to me just by your words alone that you are a hypocrite(not sure if its spelled right)

I am trying to make you understand that this is not an issue about money here, or keeping my site running. It's the fact that I am sick and tired of big money companies such as BELL throwing their big dollars around trying to tell us what to watch. Its not a money issue here, it is a censorship issue. CAN I GET AN AMEN????

Jay

[dssmatrix]

Originally posted by dssmatrix
We have started CSDA - Canadian Satellite Dealer Alliance.
All we want is your support, no money. All you have to do is email dealeralliance@yahoo.com

We have already had statements to the CANADIAN PRESS published in the TORONTO STAR. We have many more statements to make, and hope all of you will support us. Email us saying "YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT" and include your email address.

Hope to hear from you soon!!!!

DSSMATRIX TEAM

THAT EMAIL SHOULD HAVE BEEN dealeralliance@yahoo.ca

[kevmetric]

: It's the fact that I am sick and tired of big money companies such
: as BELL throwing their big dollars around trying to tell us what to
: watch. Its not a money issue here, it is a censorship issue.

A censorship issue ?

It's clear to me, that censorship has nothing to do with
law enforcement of hacked signals, not does it have to do
with Bell, or Starchoice protecting their business models,
and their viability as going concerns.

Allowing Canadians to hack Direct-TV programming free of charge
(worth upto $200 for legit users) makes as much sense as
allowing cocaine, marijuana in McDonald's restaurants, because
respect for the law (voted by Canadians, in elections, and constructed
over many centuries of Canadian history) would be not only
weakened, but destroyed.

If you want to know what anarchy means, look at what's been
happening in Argentina in the last few years. Democracy and
the legal system has been corrupted, hard working people now
face homelessness and a bleak existence for the coming years.

This is what would happen in Canada, if anarchy were allowed,
or in your words, quote unquote censorship were removed.

Can you walk into a bank and steal $1,000 ? Nope. The law is
there to protect the deposits.

Can you take Direct-TV's signals, free of charge, and enjoy
them ? Nope. The law is there to protect the business model,
and the companies and workers who make the programming possible.

Are Canadians overcharged for services, overtaxed, for their
entertainment ? Surely, but two wrongs don't make a right.

In the next election, make your views known, and make sure you
and your friends place an x mark in the ballot box.\

Finally, I guess that many people would be unemployed, if they
did not make the big bucks from selling hacked cards for
Direct-TV's programming. How can anyone not feel as they're
the King of the World, if they carry out this activity, much
like the Bronfman family did, during prohibition with
alcohol and spirits, which reaped them many millions of dollars?
It's one of the greatest challenges and addictions that a human
being can face, in a lifetime, beating an easy-money (and illegal)
addiction to a business activity.

[tarnat]

As a Canadian, I would love to have the option to be able to subscribe to either dtv or dish. But we are not allowed to have this option due to crtc regulation. That is the right that we as Canadian citizens should have - the right to choose. If given that right, there would be very little hacking.

And we should be given the benefit of the doubt. Not Bell. We have the ability as citizens to enforce that. Bell (thru the CRTC) should not be telling Canadian citizens what rights they are allowed.

I believe it is that simple.

[blcjet]

Originally posted by kevmetric
[BIt's clear to me, that censorship has nothing to do with
law enforcement of hacked signals, not does it have to do
with Bell, or Starchoice protecting their business models,
and their viability as going concerns.

Allowing Canadians to hack Direct-TV programming free of charge
(worth upto $200 for legit users) makes as much sense as
allowing cocaine, marijuana in McDonald's restaurants, because
respect for the law (voted by Canadians, in elections, and constructed over many centuries of Canadian history) would be not only weakened, but destroyed.

If you want to know what anarchy means, look at what's been
happening in Argentina in the last few years. Democracy and
the legal system has been corrupted, hard working people now
face homelessness and a bleak existence for the coming years.

This is what would happen in Canada, if anarchy were allowed,
or in your words, quote unquote censorship were removed.

Can you walk into a bank and steal $1,000 ? Nope. The law is
there to protect the deposits.

Can you take Direct-TV's signals, free of charge, and enjoy
them ? Nope. The law is there to protect the business model,
and the companies and workers who make the programming possible.

Are Canadians overcharged for services, overtaxed, for their
entertainment ? Surely, but two wrongs don't make a right.

In the next election, make your views known, and make sure you
and your friends place an x mark in the ballot box.\

Finally, I guess that many people would be unemployed, if they
did not make the big bucks from selling hacked cards for
Direct-TV's programming. How can anyone not feel as they're
the King of the World, if they carry out this activity, much
like the Bronfman family did, during prohibition with
alcohol and spirits, which reaped them many millions of dollars?
It's one of the greatest challenges and addictions that a human
being can face, in a lifetime, beating an easy-money (and illegal)
addiction to a business activity. [/B]



First Off.


heed this one well, because this is fact and nothing more.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HACKING DTV

This fight is about one thing and one thing only. The ability for Canadians to choose to be able to subscribe to DTV or Dish or any other alternate programming not approved by our Liberal gov't. The Supreme Court charter battle we are fighting for is because we have been told that we have no options and our freedoms are being taken away piece by piece. First what we can and can't watch on TV.......who knows where it will end eventually. Not with freedom, but with something drastically different.

Second.

There is a great web-site called legal-rights.org that has all the info needed to help, with letters to send, to all rulings, articles and countless other pieces of information needed, BUT in the next breath if people are at least trying to help with this battle then THANK GOD! I, as a Canadian, have no desire to see my rights trampled on by the greed of a few corporations that are able to line the pockets of the government.

If you feel so passionately for your convictions then I challenge you to become involved, but do NOT come here and think to accuse many of things that you have no proof or knowledge of. It is very easy to sit above and look down and think you know the facts, but do not judge others until you do know the facts.

I thank those that are taking the inititive to become involved and please support legal rights in Canada, so we will still have rights in Canada. Also, don't take to heart the misinformed views of a small minority, who have not taken the time to research facts, not fiction and who are very obviously attempting to do irreperable harm to a united front.

In the end, if it makes others feel better sitting there trying to start wars, and we attack and malign them, it gives validity to their arguments(at least in their minds). If they won't take the time to do proper research and such before making erroneous statements, then we would NEVER be able to dissuade them of their beliefs, and we would be wasting precious time and energy doing so.

[kevmetric]

I've read your response, and although I do respect
your beliefs, and have an open mind about both
sides of the issue, I disagree almost entirely
with not only what you say (which is too general
in nature to be debatable in court, in my opinion,
in the way you present the problem) but also
with the way you present the problem.

I do work for Bell (I subsidiary of it ...) however,
my area of work is not even remotely related to
satellite services or to the issue being discussed.

The first challenge, is to define the problem.

The second challenge, is to decide on how to
resolve the problem.

What I feel that you are doing, is re-arranging
the problem, or how it is worded or presented,
because you don't like the natural resolution
of the problem, as a consequence of it's original
definition of what exactly is the problem.

I say the problem is the CRTC protecting a monopoly,
and that the solution, is to find a way to financially
support Canadian programming, in an alternate way
than the current one, which is through the CRTC.
I also support abolishing the CTRC, allowing Direct-TV
and EchoStar to offer programming to Canadians. This is
natural, in my opinion. Therefore, the problem has
to do with supporting your programming, as Canadians,
and the solution, is sending money to those actors
and producers, to support their efforts. The grey
market makes sense, but not the black market involving
hacked cards.

If you disagree with my definition of the problem,
either because you have a different method of analysis,
or you don't because my resolution to the problem,
does not meet your interests or agree with your
objectives, that's not a problem. I can live with
that, because Canada is an open democracy. I just
think it's misguided to reword the issue or the
problem, and generally call it a 5th Amendment question
as it could be in the USA, or a censorship issue.

I think it's great to support your interests, and
those of small dealers, around the country, as they
sell products that are in demand by people, and
are independent businessmen. I just disagree with
your point of view, and I give you an extremely low
success probability in regards to your court case.
In fact, if the Demarrais family, with Liberal
Party ties, and Power Corp, with Direct-TV fell
flat on their faces when they knocked on the door
of the CRTC 10 years ago, I doubt you can do better
than that billionaire and his tight political party
connections were able to accomplish.