Canada is becoming a dictatorship!! We now live in the U.S.S.R.

[m2dmhot]

They're going to want to know what colour your underwear is next."

Sad very sad to say we live in a free country...

:( x1000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[wiggy2000]

heres what you must understand that on april 26th the supreme court judged it to be illegal to decrytp any foreign signal(if im not mistaken)...now what we are fighting for is the charter that says we have a freedom of choice to watch anything we want.basically fighting to sub to foreign programming...if you are getting pissed at the government for making hacking illegal,well then your head is not on straight,but on the other hand if you are pissed at the government for not giving you the option to sub to foreign signals then you have a right to get pissed...i woke up to all this when i read what was said at the dinner meeting with allen gold...black market people must wake up...this just became a hobby that you must keep under your hat
thanks

[davidnb]

Originally posted by wiggy2000
heres what you must understand that on april 26th the supreme court judged it to be illegal to decrytp any foreign signal(if im not mistaken)...now what we are fighting for is the charter that says we have a freedom of choice to watch anything we want.basically fighting to sub to foreign programming...if you are getting pissed at the government for making hacking illegal,well then your head is not on straight,but on the other hand if you are pissed at the government for not giving you the option to sub to foreign signals then you have a right to get pissed...i woke up to all this when i read what was said at the dinner meeting with allen gold...black market people must wake up...this just became a hobby that you must keep under your hat
thanks

Thats very well worded and gets right to the correct point.

[wiggy2000]

i am not a lawyer(although some say i should have became one,lol)i do not know if that holds true
thanks

[davidnb]

Originally posted by masterdean
Does that include all signals from foreign origin. In other words, does that mean the goverment can't decrypt foreign spy satellite etc. transmissions. Can the government still do whatever it wants above the law in the name of national security.:D

Would you want the government to decrypt spy satellites inorder to provide say prevent a attack in Canada?

[depomas]

"murder is a crime, unless it's done by a cop"

People saying Canada is not free..........Where have you been? Canada hasn't been free in years. Have you ever wondered where your tax dollars go? Ever wondered why there are more politicians per population in Canada than any other country? Ever wonder why Quebec is ALLOWED to hold as many referendums is it takes, (Treason in my book, And yes I'm in Quebec).Many people don't know that the Quebec government FORCES all immagrants to go to french school (even if they don't want to) That's FREE!! And that french schools are BRAINWASHING the kids into wanting an independant Quebec so that eventually they'll win. Where's my FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that's SUPPOSE to protect MY rights!!

Sorry for ranting but,,,,,, Just remember, the government only sticks its nose in when there's money involved, otherwise they couldn't care less about their citizens.

[sharbel]

Pretty sure that quote from the original post was from a Windsor test card dealer.. I can see these guys a bit peaved that their business has to close, but come on.. I was in the business too, it was about money. It wasn't about rights, freedoms, or anything else. It was about money... I listened to people whine and cry about their card being down, because they paid me to. Don't tell me for a second that the black market stuff is about choice, because its not.. it's about greed. Greed on the part of the dealer, and greed on the part of the consumer who doesn't want to pay full price. Don't think for a second I am preaching against test cards, I am not because I would be a hypocrite if I was. I am just cautioning the people who think they will get a sympathetic ear from anyone because they can't continue to hack satellite cards.

Now that said, the grey market stuff IS about freedom of choice. Who the hell is the government to tell me I can't pay a US based firm to watch what I want? Thats the crime IMHO.

[depomas]

FREE,,,,,

Why can the government tell you that at 18 years of age that you're old enough to;

a) drive a car
b) get married
c) have children
d) vote

But you're not old enough to SMOKE CIGARETTES (some provinces)

FREE, HUH

[depomas]

How 'bout the Quebec government profitting nearly 5 billion dollars last year with lotteries and they can't tell you where one penny is going????

I'd like to start my own lottery or maybe accept bets on pro sports,,,,,, OH no, I'm not ALLOWED only my government is allowed!!

[davidnb]

Originally posted by depomas
FREE,,,,,

Why can the government tell you that at 18 years of age that you're old enough to;

a) drive a car
b) get married
c) have children
d) vote

But you're not old enough to SMOKE CIGARETTES (some provinces)

FREE, HUH

Their is no law about smoking, just you can't buy them. Anyways, maybe it has something to do with the fact that smoking kills. You also forgot about drinking, most provinces you have to be 19 years old for that aswell. Its not a case of freedom of choice, its a case of governement trying to protect someone who isn't old engougth to understand some facts of life.

[blcjet]

Originally posted by davidnb


Their is no law about smoking, just you can't buy them. Anyways, maybe it has something to do with the fact that smoking kills. You also forgot about drinking, most provinces you have to be 19 years old for that aswell. Its not a case of freedom of choice, its a case of governement trying to protect someone who isn't old engougth to understand some facts of life.


If I can die for my country or potentially be drafted at 18 years of age, but I am not "grown up" enough to choose to have a drink or smoke a cigarette then there is something wrong.

I can choose to get married without my parents consent at 18, and with their consent before that....(can't remember exact age but I do know that is 16 or earlier.) I can choose to start a life with someone but I can't have a drink after my wedding?

I firmly believe in protecting people, but if you look historically in Europe there are not half the issues we face day to day with underage drinking because we have chosen to make it tabboo. Like anything once you make something very very wrong, and portrayed as evil you are more likely to have people want it. (Within reason)

I'm not saying to let the country run amok....but.....


Food for thought.

[depomas]

It's ALL about MONEY!!!!! If there's anything you can do to make money and the government doesn't, then it's illegal. The government wants to control the money you make and how you use it! Big Brother is watching!

Here's a question a couple of buddies and I were debating;

Why does a person making 60,000 a year pay more taxes than someone making 30,000 a year? Is it because the person who makes 60,000 uses MORE government resources? or just because he can afford to pay more?

[apn_64]

Originally posted by depomas
It's ALL about MONEY!!!!! If there's anything you can do to make money and the government doesn't, then it's illegal. The government wants to control the money you make and how you use it! Big Brother is watching!

The irony is that sales of IRDs and other DSS equipment were generating GST and (most provinces) PST, and the feds were quite happy to collect "duty" at the border crossings.

The QC nationalists are nothing more than govt sponsored racists. Their "language" law is an affront to human rights, and yet they continue to use it to force small mom & pop variety stores, and probably other businesses to close. Ethnic cleansing was deplored by the UN in Yugoslavia, yet it's practiced every day in QC.

How would the Quebecers feel if the rest of Canada adopted an English language law? There'd be an uproar. A Quebecer has the right to walk into any federal govt building in the country and demand to be served in French. Do I have the right to demand Englsih service in QC - hell no!

And speaking of tax dollars, I expect a nice chunk of the more than $40K I paid last year ended up in QC.

[davidnb]

Originally posted by depomas
It's ALL about MONEY!!!!! If there's anything you can do to make money and the government doesn't, then it's illegal. The government wants to control the money you make and how you use it! Big Brother is watching!

Here's a question a couple of buddies and I were debating;

Why does a person making 60,000 a year pay more taxes than someone making 30,000 a year? Is it because the person who makes 60,000 uses MORE government resources? or just because he can afford to pay more?

Taxes are paid as a precentage

[depomas]

Taxes are paid as a precentage

That's partially correct. A person making 20,000 a year DOES NOT pay the same PERCENTAGE as a person making 45,000. That's why we have brackets. But the point of the debate was, WHY should someone making more, pay more??? Basically the government is penalizing a person for having a better job. I mean the government doesn't give you better roads to drive on just because you paid more in taxes than I did.

[depomas]

How would the Quebecers feel if the rest of Canada adopted an English language law? There'd be an uproar. A Quebecer has the right to walk into any federal govt building in the country and demand to be served in French. Do I have the right to demand Englsih service in QC - hell no!


I have nothing against people speaking whatever language they want. But when it's FORCED on you, then, that's not a free country. For example; a little while ago, there was a school in montreal where several ethnic kids attended. There were portugese, italian, greek, asian etc. and during recess and lunch breaks these children were told that they were NOT allowed to speak any language OTHER than french!!! Now, there's a free country!!!!!

[depomas]

Let's call a spade, a spade. We (canadians), are pacifests at heart. We complain about the govt, but we DO nothing. Take our american counterparts for example, if one state spoke of "separating" there would be a public outcry. If the american govt tried to raise taxes as high and as fast as the canadian govt, the american people would speak out and have demonstrations and whatnot. But canadians bitch and whine but do F$%! all!!! Until we stand up and DO something, then nothing will change.

[stuffy]

I sat at a dinner meeting where there were hundreds of people concerned about this whole issue. There were questions, answers, suggestions etc. Canadians do care! Canadians are doing something! This is a war and sometimes you may lose a battle, but as long as the war continues, the hope of winning the war is still there. ;)

Please do not sit and whine and swear, ACT. If you do not know what to do, ask. There are a lot of very smart, driven Canadians who have been working on this for years - not just days or weeks. They are passionate and convicted about making sure Canadians do not lose any more Rights/Freedoms than we already have. They know what you should do and have written that in various threads. They are busy though and will not always be here to hold our hands and lead us by the nose. There is even a template of a letter you can send to the appropriate people. Send it!! It doesn't hurt, takes a few minutes and you can feel that you are a part of the process. You cannot get in trouble for sending your voice to your government - try it, you might like it! :cool:

Writing your opinion on this website will not make nearly the impression on the government as it will if you write your opinion to your government. Why not take your MP to TH and let him/her know that you would like to know when you can get XM Radio, DTV, Spanish TV for your neighbours, etc..... Find out where he/she stands on this issue. You'd be surprised what a couple of donuts can get you!

Canadians are not all pacifists, nor are we all complacent. We know right and wrong and are willing to fight for it. I fear that we are becoming an oppressed nation though, and that is due to the many circumstances, including the ones you mentioned, that the government has forced something upon us that we feel is not "Nation Building" but more like "Nation Dividing".

So,what that means is that we must remain vigilent to what we believe is right and do what we can. Even if you do nothing, then you have done something. This is our government in action, we are living it as the US lived through the "Chad Controversy". :R

Someone on the den has a great line on his signature that says basically, the smallest deed done is greater than the largest thought intended. It is time to act - everyone of us!
________________________
Regards,
Stuffy

[depomas]

Stuffy, excellent post!


I agree with everything you said except,,, I have tried, I have done the politicians thing but I feel like I'm alone. Like I said, it's very easy to get people to bitch along with me, but, it's VERY hard to get them to DO something with me. There are several causes that I'd like to help fight, but I don't know where to start.

[blcjet]

Originally posted by depomas
Stuffy, excellent post!


I agree with everything you said except,,, I have tried, I have done the politicians thing but I feel like I'm alone. Like I said, it's very easy to get people to bitch along with me, but, it's VERY hard to get them to DO something with me. There are several causes that I'd like to help fight, but I don't know where to start.

Donate to the cause, write letters, inform and educate the public to all that is happening. Every site you go to, encourage others to do the same. With added pressure from many people politicians and media will be forced to listen to Canadians.

[stuffy]

You may think that whatever you did was all for naught - but you would be surprised at what happens when you are not around to see!! I have to believe that by doing whatever you did - someone is scratching his head thinking "hmmmmmm" - all because you took action! In the last few years less Canadians seem to shrug their shoulders and play the roll of a victim. Instead of saying that there is "nothing they can do to change the outcome" of whatever - there is more of a proactive "what can I do to change - whatever". Pretty awesome - I think! Now, this is my experience with my "circle of influence".

I have created a survey, submitted it to one of the atty's for his blessing and when it is appropriate, I have recruited several people who for a pizza and beer will help me canvas areas and ask people to fill these out. I am also - hopefully getting it online so it can be available to everyone else.

I am trying to get a time/location where I can meet with the MPs in our area, along with the local newspaper people and review this survey and it's results.

Will this do anything to help the cause? Who knows. But these atty's are asking for us to anything at all to help them help us. There is no harm in doing whatever you did. You may have bent the ear of someone who may not have done whatever you thought he/she should have done at that time - but you never know!!! People are very creative - especially in times like this. Keep up the good work.

_____________________
Regards,
Stuffy

[TestCardStore]

Yes, do not be discouraged if you do not see an effect immediately. You wanna get someones ear? If the number of dishes is even close to correct, that makes 1 in 10 Canadians an owner of a US dss dish. Most of them probably don't have a clue what is going on. Contact your MLA and ask him to state 'on the record' what his opinion is on the issue. Before he/she answers tell them you and a bunch of people will be driving through the entire riding dropping off letters on the ruling to any house you see that has a dish and want the MLA's opinion on it also.
-How many people voted last election? 3 or 4 out of 10? 1 out of 10 is enough to change ANY riding results. Don't kid yourself.. it is a force to be reckoned with. If your MLA does not want to do anything, and sit on the fence, tell them the reason you are calling is to either put their support or lack there of on the flyer.

[Birbao]

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black market people must wake up...this just became a hobby that you must keep under your hat
===

I agree. Just this morning I was thinking of where I stand on the issue. I believe in promoting Canadian content-- GOOD Canandian content, that is, and I can see how allowing the population to freely watch US 100% programming (I doubt MuchUSA offers much to promote Canada's cutlure) can hurt us.

It's just too bad that the technology to decrypt can get the equipment was relatively easy to get which resulted in so many people to own such dishes. If it was kept hush-hush and as a HOBBY (like how Radio Electronics magazine always had an article on how to descramble cable tv), none of this would have happened.

If shortwave radio sudddenly became popular and overshadowed AM and FM, heads would roll.

So, I don't know. I think I'm grey (no pun intended) on this issue. I think it's ok for us to decrpyt foreign signals as a hobby (let's see what else I can get with this dish!). But I don't like the freedom of choice being taken away.

[depomas]

CHOICE!




That is the point! In quebec, whether you watch cable, bell, star, or look, you must have french channels in your package. Why should I pay for programming that I will NEVER watch? If I like to watch the NFL on sundays, does that make me a "bad" canadian?

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Stuffy,

Very well said Sir. You have outlined what to do very well and in a short piece. Actually the original author of the letter template you talk about is blcjet who posted just after you. I was so impressed by the letter that I asked if it could be used on legal-rights to encourage others to use it in modified form and send it to their politicians.

If we all did that and give up the 15 minuted or so that it takes, believe me we would get the attention of these politico's. They really count each letter received as the voice of 200 Canadians since they know most people don't make the effort.

So people Please follow the example of blcjet who authored the letter, take 15 minutes and send it to the list of people in the three political parties listed. I even tell you HOW to do it and its not much of a sacrifice for the results you will get. And then you can all feel like you are helping the cause because you WILL BE. Its a very important aspect of this battle.

The letter as well as the mailing lists and how to do it in a simple and effective way are all at:

http://www.legal-rights.org/supremecourt/lettertosend.html

Together we CAN overcome. And this is NOT about "THEFT" or "piracy" because numerous courts have ruled that it was legal to receive foreign signals whether you pay for them or NOT. And sharbel while I am sure you are convinced that you are RIGHT please read paragraph 2 of the Supreme Court Ruling at:

http://www.legal-rights.org/SCRrulingcanam.html

It says

2 The respondents facilitate what is generally referred to as "grey marketing" of foreign broadcast signals. Although there is much debate -- indeed rhetoric -- about the term, it is not necessary to enter that discussion in these reasons. Rather, the central issue is the much narrower one surrounding the above statutory provision: does s. 9(1)(c) operate on these facts to prohibit the decryption of encrypted signals emanating from U.S. broadcasters? For the reasons that follow, my conclusion is that it does have this effect. Consequently, I would allow the appeal.


While it is I agree much easier to argue on the point of "grey market" don't make the mistake of thinking that this ruling by Mr.IACOBUCCI stated that Black market was illegal. What he said is that DECRYPTING is illegal no matter how that is done. Then look at paragraph 54 which further clarifies it. When something in Canada is NOT illegal, then it IS LEGAL. And that would indicate that anyone in black market will still have the "lawful excuse" defence.

I have argued with people here NOT to use the black market issue to make our point because I want to choose the easiest road but do not interpret that other than "Grey market" is the easiest route for us.

In fact when this comes down to a black market dealer battling the court may be very sympathetic to this point of view. In fact the law does allow for a civil suit if copyright of a broadcaster with standing has been infringed. But what do you say when so many courts have stated that the American broadcasters do not have standing. Should we all do like the supreme court and call the 17 justices who ruled in our favor including 2 Appeals courts, only a small step under the supreme Court "IDIOTS" since the Supreme Court state that the law is NOT ambiguous.

How can 17 important judges ruling opposite to the Supreme Court NOT be ambiguous unless they are all idiots and the entire system of justice in Canada is in total disrepute. Since these Judges make about 98% of all the rulings in Canada, why has the Supreme Court put them into so much question and who can now believe in our justice system since they have all now been called IDIOTS.

No my friend, there is a real problem with this political ruling and it SMELLS to high heaven.

Stuffy Keep up the good work sirhttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif
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