Reply Letter to DTV

[BubbaHill]

This is a post from a member on another site. This is His
lawyers reply letter to Dave's lawyers. Please post any
positive, or negative thoughts about this letter.
It maybe helpful to some.
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This law firm represents Mr. XXXXXXXXXX., in the above title action(s). This correspondence is in regards to your investigation and possible litigation on your claims that my client is or has received illegal DIRECTV PAY TV SERICES and the illegal use of DIRECTV "test cards"

I quote from your letter dated July 1, "This illegal reception and use of DIRECTV's programming is accomplished through the use of modified, DIRECTV Access Cards and other devices sometimes referred to as "test cards."

In response to your claim that DIRECTV has obtained evidence demonstrating that my client purchased illegal signal theft equipment to gain unauthorized access to DIRECTV's programming. Please bare facts of issues that my firm takes with your ridiculous position. The fact that DIRECTV has obtained sales receipts from a distributor of ISO Programmers indicating my client purchased a ISO Programmer is not in question. Your assumption that this programmer is being used for illegal purposes is. You assume that my client is stealing a satellite signal. What is fact is that you assert your rights to recovery under US Code 47. There appears to be some confusion on your part in defining illegal equipment. Your client assumes that compliant ISO devices are built for and intended to steal DIRECTV Programming. In fact you call a simple ISO Programmer "Signal Theft Equipment."

ISO has standardized a variety of Smart Card characteristics in an attempt to achieve globally compatible smart cards. The standards have been widely accepted and form the basis for current Smart Card designs. Most of the relevant ISO standards are collected into the ISO 7816 Smart Card Standard. While 7816 parts 1 to 3 are almost universally followed, parts 4 and above are only followed by some smart card manufacturers. These smart cards are used for Building Security, Computer Security, Identification purpose, hobbies and many other "LEGAL USES". Your client is not the only Corporation or Individual using Smart Card Technology.

It appears that the facts of your "investigation" all are very clear. I will point them out for you.

Your assumption that my client has broken any law is without merit. The simple possession of a ISO-7816 Programmer is not in violation of any law in the US. Your client has no right to "Habeas Justus". If indeed any violation of law has occurred, your client could be the offender. Refer to MI PA 332 of 1992 which restricts the use of your scare letter tactics.







I hereby direct DIRECTV and YOUR FIRM to CEAST AND DESIST with your ILLEGAL INVESTIGATION, ILLEGAL THREATS and your Threatening letters to my client. Any and all future correspondence will be directed to my firm.

Furthermore, please inform your client (DIRECTV) that Mr. XXXXX has cancelled his PAY TV services with them. My client has been a paying subscriber of Directv since 1997.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[robert492]

..nice letter,...curious too see the outcome..

[BubbaHill]

Refer to MI PA 332 of 1992 which restricts the use of your scare letter tactics. I still can't find this law. Any lawyers out
there. Help!

[crzywhtboy]

Great letter, try to let us know if it works...

Non legal translation...

LICK BALLS :)


CRZY

[8Ball]

What a crock of BS. Besides the mis-spelled words, anybody have a definition for "Habeas Justus"???

[BubbaHill]

8Ball,
I think it means ( Screw you Dave )

[zkt]

Small things first:
8ball: One post - Contribute something usefull or go away. You dont have an audience here with what you are saying. Clear enough?
More importantly:
Bubbahill: The basis of dtv`s argument is flawed in that it assumes that purchase of an iso7816 interface from a vendor that has marketed to the hacking community implies intent of the purchaser to pirate dtv`s signal. I have discussed this very issue with attorneys.
The case you mention,Refer to MI PA 332 of 1992 , is not familiar. Provide more info pls. There are some who believe that dtv is walking a thin line re. harasment litigation.
I fully respect the fact that dtv has every right to protect its interests. However this is not to say that the end justifies the means.
Will fully support any efforts to solidarize defense against those who restrict free exchange of information.
Just a few random thoughts.
Please keep in contact,

zkt

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Geo,

If a link is posted that is NOT to a DSS type website or to a government website for pure information neither myself nor any admin nor Risestar himself will have any problem with that.

What is NOT acceptable is links that go to locations that SELL THINGS, particularly DSS type equipment.

So if you need to post a link to a Government site or a site that is particulatly helpful to a point you are trying to make and that is not innapropriate, go ahead and post it. Please just exercise good taste and judgement which most posters in the legal forums are totally able to do. There is a high level of responsibility here and I would prefer to have you be able to make your point. I often post proper type links and its not innapropriate to do sohttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

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[Speedp3]

Originally posted by 8Ball
What a crock of BS. Besides the mis-spelled words, anybody have a definition for "Habeas Justus"??? I could not find one *mis-spelled* word, care to point it out?

[8Ball]

8ball: One post - Contribute something usefull or go away. You dont have an audience here with what you are saying. Clear enough?

Uhh zkt, what's your deal? As a member of many sites, I have many posts. I tend to just read here, not that I really need to prove anything to you. You don't like my one post? Well, feel free to use this letter to attempt to save yourself when the time is right. As someone who has been involved with this, I can tell you this was written by either one dumb attorney, or a wanna be. Either way...good luck.

For one example of mis spelled words, try CEAST. You really think an attorney would let that one get by?

As TTRK has been saying. This is a serious issue. Internet wannabe lawyers with BS letters aren't going to do you any good. But hey, it's your life...do what you want.

Ok zkt...that's 2 posts. Better now? :gg

[Evildss]

I know people are trying to help, but don't think I would post my reply letter publicly on a forum, because they will know who this letter is from....:( might let TTRK read it.....
As said before, everyone's case will be different, u must make your choice based upon your life and economics!
Also, provide TTRK with all the info possible, so he can see fit how to pass it on to the public;)
Funny how money rules things.....go figure.....:R

[ELF-CO]

8Ball is correct on both counts, regardless of the amount of posts he has made. The argument that "possession of a ISO-7816 Programmer is not in violation of any law in the US", when compounded by all of the other evidence that I am certain they are prepared to present, along with expert witnesses & related testimonials (if deemed necessary) would have that argument circling the bowl in no time. (plonk!)

At a minimum... that kind of defense would certainly be very cost prohibitive, and the one claiming such a defense had better have more money than brains to defend such a position in a court of law.

Consult a "real" lawyer if you need advice. That's what they are for.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Guys,

I have a problem with such poor spelling too and especially when it concerns words used in the legal profession every day. And most lawyers have the good sense to use a spell checker. And "Habeas Justus", please giver me a BREAK!!! Habeas means "YOU HAVE THE" and there is no such word as "justus" so the whole thing is rediculous.

Just for the information of everyone here, I know many legal terms can be confusing. So I posted a legal dictionary on the legal-rights.org/index page which is very useful. You type in any word that you don't understand and it brings up a little box on the left of the screen that either gives the answer or asks you to type it again with proper spelling. I tested it thoroughly before I put it up on the site and I believe it really does the job well. So please guys, use away when there is any term that is not clear as to its meaning.

And after you use it once it just stays as a separate box on the left side of the screen ready to ask about any word and get the answer like it was your program :)

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[bolynn]

You know I have been around the hobby for quite some time, and the bashing and flaming here gets worse everytime i stop by, its almost a joke!... The worst thing about this is that some moderators are jumping right in and bashing. I was a member for almost two years on the private side here, and I left a few months ago because of the bullsh*t bashing! I dont understand why so many of you feel the need for this crap. What happened to helping, listening, learning, having fun and enjoying the hobby and the poeple involved. I swear it seems like some of you just wait for someone new to post and then jump all over them. All well, thats why my post count is low here. :(

Anyways, around two years ago my roomate received one of Da*e's letters, and his lawyer did infact send a similar letter to Dave's attorney's. The law is the law. We are protected by many laws, and its by no means ridiculous to have your personal attorney respond to one of these ridiculous scare tactic letters. Especially, if you have bought equipment that has many other uses. I doubt Da*e's attorney's are going to make an example out of one guy who owns a iso programmer. lol! give ME a break.

Da*e is using all his resources and methods to bring down the percentages of signal piracy, thats the facts.

This is a scare tactic, and for most it works.

To this date, my roomate has yet to hear another word from Da*'s lawyers, and probably never will.

[zkt]

The fact of the matter is that most lawyers dont know beans about this issue. A competent attorney will welcome your input if it is factual and logically presented. The letter that Bubba posted looks to me like a rough draft and makes a good point.
In no way am I suggesting that if you are guilty as sin to try to fight dtv in court. Those who bought a truck load of hardware and canceled their sub have no place in court. Nor do I advocate that you draft your own reply to dtv`s letter of intent without running it by a lawyer. My concern is for those who bought an iso7816 interface from an "unauthorized", read that as busted, vendor and who are being threatened with expensive court proceedings by dtv and are lying down like a good dog rather than having the balls to fight for what you know is right, proper and just. I, for one, am tired of getting screwed by those with power and money who manipulate our lives and play with our so called freedom.
The issues here go way beyond dtv`s right to protect their intellectual property. The issues involve your right to purchase a perfectly legal piece of equipment online without fear of harassment.
It doesnt take any great leap of imagination to see the day when what you look at online will be censored as well.
Am I the only one who sees it this way?

zkt

[bolynn]

zkt , I mostly agree with you.

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[8Ball]

zkt,

Balls has little to do with it. Resources for many are the problem. While we would all most likely love to fight DTV, the reality is most do not have the funds to do so.

My real concern is when credence is given to the letter as posted at the top of this thread. Many may think this letter would work and attempt to use it themselves as a defense. I do not think this letter was even a rough draft. It's a bad letter that may give bad advice to the unrepresented. Period. The idea's it presents are nothing new.

I suspect you have not received your letter yet. I have seen many people speak of "fighting to the end", etc. Once they received their own letter, their tune changed dramatically. When your own assets are on the line, you tend to think a little differently.

I for one am all for the fight against injustice. However, the fact remains that many accused are not innocent, they did use the devices to steal DTV signal. If that is the case with an accused, it can be tough to win in civil court, and very expensive.

I firmly believe if a few "end users" did fight this and win, it would go away quickly for everyone. To date that has not happened.

Maybe you could be the first to show everyone how "big of balls" it takes to fight and defeat DTV. I for one will be rooting for you all the way.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi zkt,

I mostly agree with you too and there is no question hat these letter are little more than "economic terrorism" at its worst. There are many lawyers who are fighting this and I regularly speak with one person who is building an incredibly good case and who may turn out to be an enormous help to everyone else who is receiving these letters. They are very onerous and bode ill for ordinary freedoms in the USA and Canada as well, These corporations who invoke this type of economic terror remind me of any other terrorist and his goals and aims to break peoples spirit. Some may resent the simile to what happened on 9/11 and I am not talking about that horrible event. It is the goals and aims of decimating people that bother me.

And all this without a shread of Proof, notwithstanding their supposed evidence of an ordinary ISO programmer of the same type that American Express give away free to holders of their latest technology smart card.

Its outrageous its onerous and its intended to intimidate and shake up the recipient. All I can say is what I have always said, consult a lawyer to find out your rights. Most attorneys will know how to handle this and I have had many people write me and thank me for the good results they obtained by dealing with one of the lawyers I mention on the special page I have posted for this info at:

http://www.legal-rights.org/uslawyer.html

And I also should mention that not everyone has the means or the ability to fight this in a court. Some may want to make a deal of some kind, not to admit any guilt but simply to settle the matter and buy peace. This is suitable to some people.

People intending to do this and who have no lawyer from the page who are from their state can contact Mr. Zakarian who can negotiate a deal for anyone no matter where they live. And if this person does decide to fight, they can hire a local attorney who can use Mr. Zakarian as a resource, saving the defendant a fortune that it costs to bring a lawyer up to speed on the issue.

And remember folks, in some cases DirecTV® will go away mad but GO AWAY if the lawyer is able to convince them that they are totally barking up the wrong tree. So settlements made range from them leaving with their tail between their legal, to a settlement of some $5,000.00 when the defendant has purchased a large range of products such as 10 bootstraps and 5 programmers or some such thing. Unless he has a VERY good reason and can argue compellingly about this.

The thing people need to so is share the name of their lawyers and have them and others pool resources to win this issue. Even the experience of multiple negotiations can save people money so get together and CO-OPERATE folks. That is one way you can save a bundle with this onerous issue.http://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

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[zkt]

"Balls has little to do with it. Resources for many are the problem. While we would all most likely love to fight DTV, the reality is most do not have the funds to do so."

In my area an initial consultation goes for $100/hr. If you have your head together you can say a lot in that time. If you have gone to the trouble to write it down you can save even more time and money. But that involves effort on the part of the end user. Anyone who is unjustly accused and doesnt go to the trouble simply hasnt the balls for it.

"My real concern is when credence is given to the letter as posted at the top of this thread. Many may think this letter would work and attempt to use it themselves as a defense. I do not think this letter was even a rough draft. It's a bad letter that may give bad advice to the unrepresented. Period. The idea's it presents are nothing new."

I dont understand your concern in replying to dtv`s letter. A reply is not a defense. It is a means of opening negotiations and gaining information. As such, the accused must be careful to not admit to allegations and at the same time pose questions relating to the strength of those allegations. Lawyers are very good at wording things like this.


"I suspect you have not received your letter yet. I have seen many people speak of "fighting to the end", etc. Once they received their own letter, their tune changed dramatically. When your own assets are on the line, you tend to think a little differently."

this is not relevant

"I for one am all for the fight against injustice. However, the fact remains that many accused are not innocent, they did use the devices to steal DTV signal. If that is the case with an accused, it can be tough to win in civil court, and very expensive."

You are absolutely right. Many havent a leg to stand on. Those dont concern me. What does concern me is the means that dtv is using to pursue it`s ends and the implications it will have on our future freedom specifically as related to the internet and the use thereof.

"I firmly believe if a few "end users" did fight this and win, it would go away quickly for everyone. To date that has not happened."

Dtv would be foolish to take weak cases to court so that isnt likely to happen.

"Maybe you could be the first to show everyone how "big of balls" it takes to fight and defeat DTV. I for one will be rooting for you all the way."

Do you really see the big picture here? This isnt about whether or not I have the balls to stand up to dtv. It`s about whether or not we as a group care enough about our freedom to go to the trouble to organize a united effort against dtv`s oppressive actions.

Good luck in your endeavors whatever they might be,

zkt

[Evildss]

All depends on everyone's situation and lets not start this into a pissing match! Do what u think is best for U!!! We are all here to help one another and we all have BALLS to a certain extent :R so lets keep helping each other and providing TTRK with all the info possible and hopefully defeat this problem!!
They like seeing post like this because it turns us against one another :(
Good Luck to all and lets unite to defeat the problem, the voice of many can carry a lot of power, even the ones that have settled and feel its wrong ;)

[8Ball]

Well said Evil!!!

I guess I got pissed at zkt's first reply to me. Post count on this forum does not make what I have to say incorrect.

Anyway, zkt...my point in telling people not to reply to DTV is that many are looking for the inexpensive (free) way out. I cannot reiterate enough that DTV IS VERY SERIOUS about all of this, regardless of how wrong we all think/know it is. If someone were foolish enough to use the letter in this thread without consulting an attorney, they would be setting themselves up for a fall. The letter admits to the purchase!!!!! Then what!!!

Bottom line, take TTRK's advice. Contact a local attorney or one on the legal rights page. DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES attempt to negotiate, contact or otherwise deal with DTV on your own. You WILL LOSE, even if 100% innocent.

I know everyone's situation is different. You have to make your own decision. Just make an informed one.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Geo2,

I am 60 years old and did take some Latin in high school back then. Certainly not "justus" as that does not follow the rules. As I state above (two posts up), " And "Habeas Justus", please giver me a BREAK!!! Habeas means "YOU HAVE THE" and there is no such word as "justus" so the whole thing is ridiculous.

I still maintain that and a lawyer who says CEAST for CEASE, well not exactly :)

As you know the common legal term "Habeas corpus is a protection against illegal confinement, such as holding a person without charges, when due process obviously has been denied, bail is excessive, parole has been granted, an accused has been improperly surrendered by the bail bondsman or probation has been summarily terminated without cause. "

So habeas means "you hold the" corpus or person. But you hold the justice is not a term that anyone could be familiar with, I don't believe. This is why I am sceptical.

No big deal but I have certain misgivings about that particular post ONLY because of these errors and NOT because of the rest of the letter. In fact I agree with the writer on much of what he says but I don't feel its expressed in quite the way I am used to seeing letters between lawyers. But who knows and I do agree that all letters should be posted when possible to make everyone aware of what is happening. It just that lawyers do not normally make these type of "ERRORS" but who knows the errors could have been introduced by a scanner if the letter was scanned or whatever. But that said, I do remain a little sceptical mainly because of the Latin which is not a scan error and could not be. But I don't knock it and information should be given the weight each person thinks it deserves. And the basic idea of what is said is logical and rings true. And Bubba states it is from a post on another site and not from someone that he vouches for. That makes a difference, too.

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Each person should give it the weight he thinks it deserves and Bubba should be thanked for obtaining it for us. It clearly shows he is on the ball in trying to obtain info for us. Thanks Bubba!!

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[zkt]

I can understand why got a little pissed about my reply to your post. Now that you have elaborated on your position I see where you are coming from. Please accept my apology for misinterpreting your intent. Sometimes I get a little impatient with one-post wonders. Upon reflection I believe we probably see eye to eye.
Look forward to your continued input.

z

[8Ball]

zkt,

Apology accepted!!

I can assure you I am anything but a one post wonder, though my profile shows me as such. Perhaps I should have given a little more info in my first post in this thread to clear that up, but for personal reasons I am unable to do so at this time.

Anyway, looks as if we basically agree on the facts of DTV strategy and its infringement on personal freedoms. It's WRONG...PERIOD!!!

The fact remains that all persons receiveing the "letter" should first and foremost consult an attorney and base any decisions on their advice. While the letter in this thread may look and sound good, it is an amateur (sp?) attempt at best. Copy the letter if you must, but run it by an attorney familiar with these cases first (not your favorite divorce attorney...lol) and have them send it on your behalf. This not only protects you from doing something possibly stupid, it also prevents DTV attorneys from contacting you directly. Once you are "represented", DTV attorneys may only communicate to you thru your counsel. And good counsel will prevent you from hanging yourself with seemingly innocent dialog.


OK, I will step off my soapbox now. I am sure I have bored most of you enough. Good luck to all. Peace.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Guys,

Usually this is what happens and we misunderstand due to a short post without much info. This is often why my posts are so long; to be sure that there is no doubt to what I am saying.

Glad that we are all on side now, together against this onerous activity.

I want to ***CAUTION*** everyone that it has come to my attention that IN SOME CASES DirecTV® may not have an actual invoice and may instead simply have a name and address.

I have now had several people write me saying that they have been accused of buying one product when in fact that was NOT what they purchased.

DTV understand that bootstraps are one of the products which are most difficult to defend against (although they can have some legal uses) and so they seem to be accusing people of buying them when its not in fact what they bought.

This is information that was sent to me so I caution EVERYONE that if they get the product WRONG, ***DO NOT **** set them straight and tell them what you purchased.

This is where people go wrong. They are on a FISHING EXPEDITION so DO NOT HELP THEM. If they do NOT know what you bought, how are they going to prove it illegal????/


But people in their anxiety to show that they are innocent will TELL THEM what you bought, giving them the information to proceed against you. THIS IS NUTS!!! and it is a perfect example of WHY I say NOT to talk to them. No sane lawyer would EVER DO THAT and you should NOT be talking to them in your best interest.

It looks like they may be getting through information that is incomplete or wrong and people, in your own best interest DO NOT TALK TO THEM, DO NOT HELP THEM. If you do you will cook your own goose and in wartime that would be called "GIVING COMFORT TO THE ENEMY."

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[dmattear]

thanks ttrk, seems some good info on the letters is starting to come out. keep up the good work.

[zardoz77]

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[Arlodawg]

There maybe another way to defend your rights from this blackmail.
As consumers we have rights. There are government offices that look into such things.
Your state attorney general being one of them. One complaint won't draw alot of attention, but many complaints will cause Directv to answer to the state attorney generals office about they activies. If you are guilty, you my not want to do this, but if you are not guilty this could be the ticket.;)
This is not a BS post. I've gotten both letters and I taken this matter very seriously. As a consumer, I will not be blackmailed.
What really PPPPP's me off is the fact that because your name is on a mailing list, they call you a theft. We all know that they NDS is in court for signal theft and by their on assumptions, this makes Directv a theft too. Guilt by association??:mad:

[zkt]

Good idea you have there about writing Your state attorney general. If enough people do this they will eventually listen. A good point to make, I think, is that dtv assumes you are guilty of theft of signal because you bought hardware from a vendor whose intent was to enable piracy rather than from a vendor who marketed virtually the same piece of hardware ie. a 7816 interface, for legitimite purposes. For instance, I doubt that any of this companies customers are being harassed by dtv: http://eiw.com/equisoft/qs3main.htm
nor this one either: http://www.iso7816.com/
just to mention a few.
Dtv`s position assumes guilt by association. Their mass marketing scare tactics, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER EVIDENCE, verges upon harassment. Note the without further evidence phrase. If they DO have other evidence then this argument is not valid. I am certain that there are a lot of people out there who have a ton of evidence against them. I am also certain that there are a lot who have nothing more against them than having purchased perfectly legal hardware from an "unapproved source". These are the people who are being harassed.
Thank you for your time,

zkt

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Folks,
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I think the idea of writing the States Attorney General is a great idea. But people who have anything to hide should not do this. But the many of you who have no problem, who have no DirecTV® system, who have a Dish Network system or who never stole anything SHOULD do this.

I can tell you right now that there are several people out there right now who are getting discovery and who already have PROOF of lies by DirecTV® and who are pushing the envelope further will be asking for a special attorney investigation of the "threatening" and of the fact that some of the supplied information is false and fabricates and that questions answered in discoveries are outright lies.

These people are serious and are spending a lot of legal expenses in order to catch them. If the attorneys general have many complaints already and then on top of this have proof of intimidation, of fabrication of evidence and of other wrongdoing and lies then you can count on an investigation being undertaken.

If this happens there could well be criminal charges pressed against the enemy.

So I urge each and everyone of you who have been intimidated by these wrongful letters, who have done nothing wrong and who can show a pattern of letters that include proposed "threatened" lawsuits to write their Attorney General, tell them how intimidated you are and that you have done nothing wrong and that people across the country are being put into this position and that most of them are SETTLING because they cannot afford to fight with the high cost of litigation. They are aware of this and may consider just what is being done to be improper and therefore go the extra MILE to try and catch these guys where they have stepped over the line. And they have. But it needs for virtually all of you who are in a good position to write and show that they are doing this to a very large number of people. This type of activity is NOT LIKED by anyone because there is no proof of wrongdoing by anyone and nothing but a BUNCH of BLUFFS to rely on. And that is not right.

So do NOT be shy folks, go after them all together. This is HOW this intimidation will be brought to the fore to show the wrongfulness of what they are doing. But without the cooperation of most of you all together, it wont amount to a hill of beans.

Some of the Florida defendants are spending a FORTUNE to set traps and we all want them to win. But they also need help from US to complete the complaints. So get together and send in those letters in every state that they are companying. So lets go to it guys, post a sample letter that others can use the letter and then mail them on in on the same the same damn day so that they are swamped and they realize there is a BIG PROBLEM HEREhttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

These people are serious and are spending a lot of legal expenses in order to catch them. If the attorneys general have many complaints already and then on top of this have proof of intimidation, of fabrication of evidence and of other wrongdoingt and lies then you can count on an investigation being undertaken.

If this happens there could well be criminal charges pressed against the enemy.

So I urge each and everyone of you who have been intimidated by these wrongful letters, who have done nothing wrong and who can show a pattern of letters that include proposed "threatened" lawsuits to write their Attorney General, tell them how intimidated you are and that you have done nothing wrong and that people across the country are being put into this position and that most of them are SETTLING because they cnnot afford to fight with the high cost of litigation. They are aware of this and may consider just what is being done to be improper and therfore go the extra MILE to try and catch these guys where they have stepped over the line. And they have. But it needs for virtually all of you wh are in a good pn to write and show that they are doing this to a very large number of people. THis type of activity is NOT LIKED bu anyone because there is no proof of wrongdoing by anyone and nothing but a BUNCH of BLUFFS to rely on. And that is not right.

So do NOT be shy folks, go after them all together. This is HOW this intimidation will be brought to the fore to show the wrongfulness of what they are doing. But without the cooperation of most of you all together, it wont amount to a hill of beans.

Some of the Florida defendants are spending a FORTUNE to set traps and we all want them to win. But they also need help from US to complete the complaints. So get together and send in those letters in every state that they are compaining. So lets go to it guys, post a sample letter that others can use the letter and then mail them on in on the same the same damn day so that they are swamped and they realize there is a BIG PROBLEM HEREhttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

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[Arlodawg]

I spoke with my attorney today. He thought the same as the rest of us. The letters are the best game in town. Send out 100,000, get 10,000 people to cough up 3000 bucks. Pretty good scheme and it is on the FINE line of being legal.
But the interesting thing I found out is, They will have to prove that someone actully stole their signal.
He did agree that talking to an attorney is a good deal even if for peace of mind and also that it wouldn't hurt to be prepared if your name was the lucky one drawn from the hat.
Everyone has to make their own call because they know what they did or didn't do.
PLEASE send copies of these blackmail letters to any and ever consumer protection agency. There is power in numbers.
Has anyone called Ralph???;)