Montreal Raid

[Technazz]

Does anybody have any info on the Easybuy 2000 raid/seizures? Suprised I havent seen anything on here about it.

Tzz

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Technazz.

I am in the Montreal area but I have never even heard about it. When was this supposed to have happened and how did you hear about it. There has been nothing in the Montreal newspaper unless I missed it. But I look carefully every day.

Any Montrealers out there who have any info please let me know at ttrk@legal-rights.org

We were refused a injunction by a judge locally because he said they were not enforcing this. But this may be different now if this is real.

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[Technazz]

I have not seen any official news (Radio, TV, Newspaper) But I read a post on Decoder about it and somebody from Easybuy has responded and confirmed that 6 RCMP 1 Bev Official and 2 Local cops siezed some Atmegas and Other equipment on July 16th.
Tzz

[sirjohna]

Well there was a post here, but since it appear like nothing but someone doing advertising the post was removed.

Can anyone confirm if there was a raid or not?

[wiggy2000]

im in the area and yes they were busted...apperantly they were looking for bev sat. hacking equipment and DID find it,now the owner of easybuy2000 states that they were returns from customers and nothing more,he also states that no info on customers were taken,no dave equipment was found on site but as per my opinion is that the authorities have been watching that company and made their move,now its up to the end user to make the decision to do business with them in the future,rememeber the rcmp DID find bev hacking equipment
thanks

[b0ink]

Go check out decoder news... They have a pretty good summary on the front page and easybuy2000 also has posted several messages in the resulting thread about what happend.

Sounds like 6 agents raided the offices. They were looking for BellVUs stuff and not DirectTV. Acording to Easybuy2000 all records and satilite stuff was moved 'offshore' before this happened so all the agents got were a few returns they had in the store.

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[RiseStar]

The offices in Montreal were paid a visit by the Powers that be.

Since EasyBuy located their shipping offshore, it remains to be seen if the RCMP and other Canadian police agencies have juristiction over it.

EasyBuys official report on it is that they came, they saw (employees answering phones and emails) and seized a number of returned items that were previously sold and left. They are still apparently in operation and shipping however.

I will try and seek out some more information on this.

[GhostDog]

Hi TTRK, Easybuy2k confirmed that it was Bev related.

[X_Factor]

Hey TTRK, did you not state in one of your posts that even if your business is located offshore you are still liabable for your actions as a Canadian Citizen ? So the fact that EasyBuy2000 is importing illegal items ( Bell/Dish ) into Canada from an offshore location ... are they not still responsible being a Canadian Based company ?

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Guys,

Yes they are at least that is the legal opinion I get on the issue. And it depends on how badly they want them and if BEV is behind it which seems to be the case.

Believe me, they may have left the premises but they have NOT left the area. They will continue their investigation and will do wire taps and open mail and customs parcels, record all incoming checks and do a bunch of things in the pursuit of this investigation.

They got a judge to sign a search warrant and now they will go back to him with the new information they obtained and get warrants for whatever else they need. And all of those warrants will be sealed and wont be released publicly until they eventually unseal them in court. And you do not get to court without charges being pressed.

But remember folks, all they have is time and money and they will pursue the investigation till they find out all there is to find. And at that point they will have much information on how important a criminal activity this must be to go to the trouble of setting up parts of it offshore and how this clearly proves how the accused knew this was against the law and went to these extreme measures to continue his criminal activity in a hidden way. They will make LOTS of hay surrounding this and people who have not experienced it before will be blown away by the logic of what they state.

If you have an enterprise and move it or part of it offshore, does that not tend to show that it is an important criminal activity and that the accused knows it is illegal and so moves it offshore to make it exceedingly difficult for the police to obtain the proof they need. Is this not a tacit admission of intent and an acknowledgement that the accused did this because he KNOWS its illegal but still wants to continue his criminal activity no matter what. EXACTLY the kind of crap that the defendant does NOT want the judge to hear. And they LOVE it. And this gives them a wonderful opportunity to make a person look worse than a big drug importer. Its the opportunity they were waiting for and dream about. And they will locate all the defendants assets and at the right moment they will pounce to seize that. When he least expects it. And they can seize bank accounts in Mexico, the Bahamas or anywhere in the world practically, if they allege a CRIME was committed.

Wait till you see the crap they eventually come up with. And they will send people offshore to investigate AFTER they have tapped the defendants home phone, cell phone and business phones, seized and continue to get all his E-mail by seizure but WITHOUT any disclosure by his ISP and everything else you can think of. They will soon know more about the defendant, his employees and his business than the defendant does himself. And one day they will perform raids in all jurisdictions involve getting assistance from Foreign police under the MLAT treaty and several others. They LOVE this ---- and will love to travel to wherever to investigate and get all the goods on what is now, for them, clearly a big time criminal operation. They will seize (under sealed seizures that can not be mentioned) all past shipping records, all customs information and all credit card information in the course of this investigation which has now turned into a big time one for them.

It may take them 6 months or even 10 months or a year but as the man once said ...."I'll be BACK".

I hope nobody thinks they went home with their tail between their legs. Remember these are government employees and they know how to make a good thing last. And for them, travelling offshore or anywhere away from the wife is a GREAT investigationhttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

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[rob13572468]

boy, TTRK, you hit the nail on the head with that post.

I was unfortunate enough to work at an (unrelated) business many years ago that was the subject of a massive criminal probe. These business owners are all the same; they assume that because the police have not come around that nobody is watching or cares, and the investigators use this to their advantage. The business where i worked was under investigation for two years, the owners phones (home/cell/business) were all tapped, the business was under surveillance and all financial records had been obtained. they had sent in numerous undercover agents to "make transactions", all the while never indicating that anything was going on.

when the axe finally came down, it was in the form of a multi-jurisdictional raid right out of the movies and a 99 count indictment against the business owner. when the lawyers did the discovery, they got 6 legal sized boxes full of evidence. needless to say, the guy ended up pleading guilty on all 99 counts...

I have a feeling that this is exactly what is going to happen to alot of these dealers; they know that its now illegal but they do not want to turn down the money, so instead of going after these guys for a few offenses, they will bide their time and use the new legal climate to build massively damaging cases. then (in a few months or so) we'll start to see these guys getting closed down and disappearing. The funny thing is that in canada it seems to be much easier for the authorities to be able to conduct these types of investigations without leaving any indication in the court system, so someone in the satellite business has no way of knowing whats coming until the agents come walking through the door...

[wiggy2000]

that is exactly what i was saying,just because they left it doesnt mean the authorities are not watching easybuy2000...its for sure the owner would like to make everyone believe that but its not the case...so please everyone be very carful

[ed12]

c-ing as easybuy have stated they were indeed
raided..my problem here is they claim they took olny 'rma's'
what about all or any putter's and realted s/w (data) base's,
coust. list etc..
i would love to c easybuy qualfie this one..
a=did u get raided?,if so why did they not take any records?
b=if u got raided then they DID take ALL records,
seening as that is what a raid is..ie it is not seltive,
it is pointed to a few thing's not the least to say sat..and if
'bev' is involved,count on the data bases going out the door..
EASYBUY come clean for your coustmers..i am not one nor will i ever
be..but for the sake of the others..plz post the TRUTH..
if u got raided then they did take your data base.
IF i seem a tad of base fine so be it,but enough is enough
i know first hand what they will and will not take..
either u got raided or u are just putting up a front to escape
any or all of your coustmer obligation's
so the post = answer
a=did u get raided?
if so then come clean and say they took the DATA base

just some food for thought

regards
ed:o

[DSSUniversity]

They were in fact raided. We have personally spoken to them and confirmed this. There is a report on our site regarding this.

dssuniversity

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Guys,

The series of posts from Andre on decoder news but I cannot believe some of the answers I saw. Andre (from the company) makes several admissions, all of them which bode very BAD for the company. For instance he says they seized several boxes of RMA BEV products such as Artmegas, Jtags and other BEV products. For some reason he thinks this is not a problem but I assure you it is a GIANT problem, illegal as hell and that they will not be forgetting him at all. Then he goes on the admit that shipments were made from Texas. That too might be a problem if you look at what is happening to Bill Rath. The proof that the memories are LONG is that the Bill Rath stuff is from 1999 and EARLIER. Bill may or may not have a problem ultimately but this guy sure will.

In my opinion this guy is cooked and there are RCMP up his ass every minute of the day. He just does not realize it. He states this as no problem because they opened shipping offshore. Well I posted above as to what that means and it ain't good. This will just make him appear as a major criminal because he did this and by alleging theft, the RCMP will be able to make seizures of all offshore accounts without problem. How do people think they got the exact amounts that went through Bill Rath's accounts in the Turks and Caicos. A stranger does not just go in and ask for this info. They get it via a SEIZURE.

This Andre has some very weird ideas about what constitutes a problem but I assure people that several boxes of Artmegas and BEV hacking equipment, working or not is a VERY MAJOR PROBLEM. DirecTV® take looped cards and testify that they are dead due to an ECM and are illegal theft devices and the courts accept that. How will it be different for RMA'd BELL devices. Further half of them probably DO WORK as people often cant work stuff and say its not working but the fact is it works perfectly and it was the customer who could not do it due to a serial port conflict or other problem specific to them.

The guy is outrageous and in one statement he says

No more than 20 orders were shipped this way...We know the risks and we know that US laws are harsher than Canadian...So it would make sense to leave Canada in order to go to the USA...

Does that make ANY sense. Now he can find himself in the Bill Rath position, looking to be extradited. Probably wont happen but what he says makes no sense. And of he WENT there to make the arrangements he may have a serious problem.

For some reason people there also seem to think that the public is exempted and only the dealers have a problem but from the hundreds of posts about the DirecTV® letters on this site, most of you now know that's just not true. Well I can assure you that its not true for BEV either. If does not take all that much to send out the 100,0000 letters that DirecTV® are sending and getting outside lawyers involved with. It will be no more difficult to get on people using these devices for BEV too.

In my opinion people SHOULD be worried about this if they ever bought there and it gives me even less confidence when I see the inane things that are being posted.

It always amazes me how people can be members of the Satellite community and understand so little about what is happening. I have said my piece now and I wish everyone involved GOOD LUCK but if you are not involved now, take my advice and don't be.http://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

People who sold DirecTV® products in 1996 to 1999 acted on information that it was LEGAL and the courts were ruling that it was. But it has NEVER been legal to play with BEV equipment and the people who were raided a few years ago did NOT DO THAT. THey acted only on what the courts said was LEGAL. But the new generation of people seem to go MUCH further in some cases and they are playing with fire as are their custoers. Anyone touching BEV in Canada needs to have their head examined or face the consequences which are likely to be VERY SEVERE.

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[gunsmoke2]

Hi TTRK,


It sounds like he is planning to skip out and move to the States. That's pretty Dumb but even more Dumb to announce it. Based on previous raids they take everything including all records and if they are not satisfied then they will get additional search warrants at other locations... unfortunatly I had that experience when they had an intial warrant but proceeded to get 3 additional search warrants at other locations.. some were tele-warrants which means they had them faxed to them..


GS2

[ed12]

thank-u for making my point :):)

now maybe these ppl will get a understanding
of the battle they are in...
i do not mean easybuy,as they asked for it
i mean the coust..
the data base..
and if u ppl believe it or not i do not care
but take this for what its worth,
IF U PURCHASED ANYTHING FROM EASYBUY-2000
YOU ARE RECORDED..SIMPLE SWEET..
your turn for your day is now comming,
first line of defience is to lose anything u have from them
look stupied if they come to the door,(rcmp) (bev) etc
simple thing here would have been EASYBUY-2000 TO RESPOND,
RE-FUTE MY STATMENT..
ie (quote un-quote) if they raided u then they took your DATA-BASE..
thats u ppl..
attenion all K-MART SHOPPER'S PLEASE KEEP YOUR HAND'S INSIDE THE SHOPPING KART AT ALL TIME'S :)
the pisser is that if u the COUSTMER think that the owners of easybuy-2000 are gonna say no i never did that to save your ASS..well the JOKE'S ON YOU...
take or leave it,
to this i will add,
we and i enclude myself in this. WE TOLD U DO NOT DO THIS
now u get the consequence of not olny your action but that of
a DEALER..you were warned

regards
ed:Z

[nova406]

As I was looking for some products this morning, I decided to follow the advertisers link that is displayed on this forum. I had almost decided to purchase from them, but I have been in the hobby long enough to know that you should always investigate before you buy from anyone.

I am glad I found this thread, as it definately changed my mind about dealing with them, but I have to say that I am very concerned also.

I realize that their is a bandwidth bill that has to be paid, and advertisers are accepted to help offset this, BUT!!!!!

If someone new were to come into this forum and see the banner without knowing to do a search on this dealer, and did in fact buy from them, the consequenses could be very great.

I know that people are responsible for their own actions, but if something should happen, in a way, this forum would be a contributing factor.

People just getting into this hobby dont know to do an exhaustive search on every dealer that they intend to deal with. The come into the forums, they see a dealers banner flashing across the top of the screen, and think "Hey, they must be ok if they advertise here". Unfortunately, thats not always the case.

As I said, I know that their are bills to pay, and people have the freedom to decide ultimately if they are going to deal, or not deal with someone, but I think that with this kind of issue surrounding this dealer, maybe the advertising deal with them should be reviewed.

Its hard enough for a newbie to find a reputable dealer without being directed to one such as this.

Just my .02

[cdsgames]

easybuy2k did not release any info about its customers . Furthermore thay are the ONLY web site shipping outside of Canada and US..
So you should be fine

[GhostDog]

Originally posted by cdsgames
easybuy2k did not release any info about its customers . Furthermore thay are the ONLY web site shipping outside of Canada and US..
So you should be fine

Now that is BAD advice. Why deal with a company that is currently under investigation by the RCMP?

[cdsgames]

Its the MUC not the RCMP

[GhostDog]

not familiar with the 'MUC', but under investigation by ANY law enforcement is a clear indication to stay away from a company