Waiting for the bomb....

[Lt1]

Hey all,

I have been reading this forum with much interest and anxiety. I purchased a programmer from Vector Technologies in 2000. I have a somewhat min subscription still. Just cant help but think that I will be getting my letter soon.. This is sad. All for purchasing a LEGAL programmer. Is there any reason I should not expect a letter?? Sounds like they are using the shotgun approach. I heard that DAVE did not have the invoices for certain timeframes, anyone know what these were?
Thanks
lt

[woody2069]

there isnt any reason to worry yourself sick about the whole situation... dont worry about the letter until you get one.






woody

[owenscott]

As far as i can tell there is a 2 year statute of limatations on when they can sue you for this. It starts from the time they have your name. If its been over 2 years then relax a little, but not all the way because they will still sue ya because they ----en cheat and break the law anyway sooooooooo. Whats the statute of limitations law to stand in the way ...... from the hungry lawyers and evil dave man. It does give a decent defence tho.

[BubbaHill]

I wouldn't worry so much. I have a cousin, and we both
ordered a programmer from White Viper. He ordered his
about a month before me. I got a letter back in December,
and he still hasn't received one yet.

[ny888]

BubbaHill,

So what is your status as to the letter right now ?

[BubbaHill]

ny888,
The day I got it, I called DTV raised hell, and
canceled my subscription. I haven't heard a word
from them since. I was paying them something like
$45 a month for the past 5 years. I wanted to call
these lawyers except it was long distance.he he

[REDx]

Originally posted by owenscott
As far as i can tell there is a 2 year statute of limatations on when they can sue you for this. It starts from the time they have your name. If its been over 2 years then relax a little, but not all the way because they will still sue ya because they ----en cheat and break the law anyway sooooooooo. Whats the statute of limitations law to stand in the way ...... from the hungry lawyers and evil dave man. It does give a decent defence tho.

i wish you were correct. the statute clock
starts running once they are aware of the
theft. not when they received your name for
review. besides the position of a programer
isnt a civil actionable act.

[StarVu]

Call them collect and say that they will hear from your attorney..
Then wait

[Lt1]

REDx, can you clarify?

"besides the position of a programer isnt a civil actionable act."

[REDx]

Originally posted by Lt1
REDx, can you clarify?

"besides the position of a programer isnt a civil actionable act."

while purchaseing and possession of
a programer is a criminal act.
it is not a civil matter. true once
you use it to program a card it then
becomes a civil matter.

[Lt1]

"while purchaseing and possession of a programer is a criminal act. it is not a civil matter."

When did purchasing a programmer become a criminal act?? That doesnt make any sense. There are about 18 billion uses for these things besides DAVE card programming.

Just a typo??

[woody2069]

sorry mis read this thread

[REDx]

ok ill amend the statement to "maybe"
a criminal act.
i think you will find if you purchased
the programer from a place who's primary
business is sell signal theft equipment.
that the circumstancel evidence is enough
to get a warrant. also keep in mind that
the conspiracy laws do apply in these cases.
all they have to do is produce those agreements
that people were foolish enough to sign.

[woody2069]

edit..

[REDx]

Originally posted by woody2069
those arguments shouldnt be admisable in a us court as the purchase took place in soverign nation... for instance if i were to purchase and use cocaine while in mexico, then travel back to the us the us authorities cant do anything (unless i bring some back with me) because the act occured in another country..
i wasnt addressing purchases in Canada.
that is a whole other can of worms.

[REDx]

Originally posted by Lt1

There are about 18 billion uses for these things

i just shack my head when i read
that statement. i see it all the
time. its like everywhere.
try useing a programer to read a
security access card even if you
have the software.
i know there are some of you who can
hex the software to work.for the most
part not many of you can.there is the
problem of flashing the chip to make it
work for nonpirate uses. now lets say you
are one of the few who can do this. then
ya got a whole new set of laws ya just broke.
copy rights being a big one.
most bring up micsoft.ya right ya think
dtv is a pain try messing ole Billy Gates.
or but judge i bought it to read my cerdit
card. once again you have a software problem
lol.now do you think the bank is going to
like hearing you modified there software to
work on a patent infringeing reader lol.
when they ask why didnt you use the reader we
sent with your card. you say what.

[Lager]

Why you purchased it only matters as it pertains to ability of the device to *do* what you *say* it was purchased for. You don't have to 'show' anyone your ability to do what you said you purchased it for. You only need someone the judge will listen to (someone labeled an expert by the court) to say that it is possible to use it for your reason. A simple programmer/reader-writer, no matter where you purchased it from is in NO way an illegal device.

Lager

[REDx]

where the problem arises is that
this all doesnt take place in a
vaccum. i agree you should be innocent
till proven guilty.
as was said in another post go to a real
federal court .look at the docket go and
sit in a court room and listen. i do from
time to time when my Friend Joey is in court
setting second chair. im tellin ya it will
open your eyes. from what i have seen in
simular cases involving large multi million
dollar corp's.
they will use the settlements from others.
to nail you. in these minor cases were the
circumstancel evidence gives the apperance
of guilt the judge looks for ways to rule
for the plaintiff. kinda like traffic court.
on the other hand lets say you purchased a
Netsignia210 from one of those sites and you
produced the Litronic guide and the software
then you stand a good chance of prevailing.
hell i dont think Dtv would be foolish enough
to even sue ya.

[DishDock]

REDx
Deck Hand

you said
"while purchaseing and possession of
a programer is a criminal act.
it is not a civil matter. true once
you use it to program a card it then
becomes a civil matter."

If possession of a programer is a
criminal act Then AMEX & VISA & MASTERCARD
are also guilty of criminal acts as i have
there cards with the smart chips in them and when
i got them for $9.99 + shipping they will send you
a smart card reader for your computer ,i also know
of a bank that gives you a ATM card with a smart chip
in it and you can set the amount you can use with it
By DTV saying it can only be used to program there
cards is total BULLS@IT and HAVING ONE IS NOT A
CRIMINAL ACT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS A CRIMINAL ACT
and DTV and there F@CKING LAWYERS SHOULD GO RIGHT
TO JAIL ,I hope no one buys there CARS,DTV, XMSR
radio and by the way XMSR has been hacked already
just showes they can`t make anything right
and any other stuff they make drive ther stock to
$0 .
Sorry but this just pissed me off how they treat people
even when they do nothing wrong.

DISHDOCK
:gg

[REDx]

Originally posted by DishDock
REDx
Deck Hand

you said
"while purchaseing and possession of
a programer is a criminal act.
it is not a civil matter. true once
you use it to program a card it then
becomes a civil matter."

If possession of a programer is a
criminal act Then AMEX & VISA & MASTERCARD
are also guilty of criminal acts as i have
there cards with the smart chips in them and when
i got them for $9.99 + shipping they will send you
a smart card reader for your computer

DISHDOCK
:gg
i dont think you will receive a
dtv letter for haveing those readers
lol. unless your bank was to be raided
for selling signal theft devices lol.
ill go so far as to say that if a place
sold you the same equipment i mean o.e.m.
not a clone. i doubt dtv would send you
a letter.
even if they were raided.
i feel your pain i dont like it ether.
it just aint right.but not knowing what
you are up against is worst.