When did we lose our common sense in Canada?

[stuffy]

We may legalize selling - therefore using - pot, which is and has been illegal for many moons. But, now the law - the government - may be putting people who watch anyother television except Canadian television behind bars instead of those who buy/smoke pot. When I grew up I was taught to not do drugs because it was bad for you. Now I will have to teach my offspring not to do foreign tv because it may be bad for them????? No wonder there are less people using common sense, it doesn't fit into the equation anymore. :gg

BTW, I could care less about whether or not they legalize pot or anyother drug for that matter - just as long as it is enforced the same as alcohol - no driving under the influence. Legalize it, tax it and use the tax $$$ for rehabs, politician's much deserved raises, etc......

By the way, has anyone taken into account all the newscasters, movie stars, television stars, hockey players, etc.... that are Canadian? Would that not be considered "Canadian Content"?

Does anyone else notice how silly this makes Canadians look???? Just about as silly as when old Billy Clinton waved his finger at us and outright lied to all of us - Canadian and American. :mad:

I guess I just don't get it - there are not too many people who want to outright steal anything. (Or smoke pot, or have affairs for that matter....) At least in my circle of influence, people do feel quite prepared to make decisions for ourselves and even our families and guess what - that includes what tv will be watched. I do not need, want, the government to make decisions for me because they feel that they know best. If that is the case, why doesn't the government stop the Canadians who leave here to go to the US to do movies/tv/play sports whatever in the first place. They can tell these people that we need to ensure that we have Canadian content in our tv/movies so they are obligated to stay here. ;)

Where will it stop? I think that it is time for our government to start preparing for whatever we will need to do in the near future with the mid-east turmoil coming to a head. Has anyone heard about any "preparedness training" or "emergency training" if and when something happens here? I know I sure haven't heard anything in my area about what we should do in the case of a tragedy such as the 9/11 tragedy. It is going to happen - no matter how much we want to declare ourselves "peace keepers" there are those that want us destroyed because we are what they consider "infidels". We CANNOT change that!!! Besides, if we were to try to change them, we would not be PC.

What about the day when the US decides to close it's borders because we cannot get out act together enough to have a strong enough military force/legal institution to keep terrorism under control here?

Now the government is virtually taking the right to bear arms away from us too. Always with a pat on the head and an excuse that makes it look as though it is in our best interest. Such an elitist attitude - one they claim is an "American" attitude. I have even heard that the government is getting together a swat team to start a "sting" operation the first of the year to really nail a few people and make a grand show of them to hopefully scare the rest of the people into submission. How pathetic is that!!! (sound familiar?)

Sorry for the rant, but when I was thinking about everything that is happening and is going to be happening, I realize that all of this is absolutely about power - greed - egos. Common sense does not even get an honourable mention in this equation.

I really hope we - Canada - win the Charter case. If not, it will be a very sad day for all Canadians, whether they know it or not!

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Stuffy

[thepoet]

"When did we lose our common sense in Canada?"

Probably when a minority of you mooselanders deluded yourselves into believing it was some sort of civic duty to misappropriate licensed copyrighted content. When I was young, I was taught it is wrong, both civilly and religiously, to steal.

[JimInTheBeaches]

thepoet:

If you read his post carefully, I don’t think he’s advocating stealing.

IMO, the point for those of us in “mooseland” is that we should be able to subscribe legally to US satellite services and not have to mess around with grey market providers. If someone in Canada is losing revenue because we subscribe to US satellite TV, then charge us a royalty tax.

The real issue is that the Canadian Supreme Court has ruled that decryption of foreign satellite signals is illegal under the definition of the RC Act. This is why challenging the ruling under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is so important. Call it the “thin edge of the wedge”, but I object to governments telling me what I can and cannot do, within reasonable limits, but this one isn’t reasonable or sensible to me.

[SatStuffDirect]

I've got to agree with Jim on this one, nowhere does the orginal post advocate theft or questionable religious behavior. The point (at least what I took from his post) is that it's time to make a stand before "big brother" starts installing cameras our bedrooms. There are more pressing issues (public security, terrorism, etc...) to deal with than what level of "Canadian Content" we've received in the last 24 hours.

Now I've got to go wash my moose ... I mean car.

LOL ... Mooselanders

[morgana]

Poet
If DTV does not want us mooselanders to take his signal, then tell the bastards to get it, out of our air space. That is not stealing. It is DTV polluting the air with their signal. They have no licence and no rights to do so. The technology exists to shape a footprint that would not drift far across the border, but it is expensive, and they are too cheap to spend that money. So do not ever complain about us mooselanders stealling your signal.

Did your momma not tell you when you were a child, that you can not claim everything as your own? So DTV should be looking at themselves to solve the problem. They have the ability to do so, just not the urge to solve it. It is easier to be crybabies about how us terrible Canadians steal the signal you send here without our permission.:mad:

[thp123]

dave would LOVE to get cdn sub'ers
by bev's allegation there is about $600 mil/yr revenue lost to gray-market
i live in this great-white-north-mooseland ;) and pay sub to the US
bev felt cheated because i spent my hard earned money for better programming from dave

so they lobby/sue/pressure to pass a law forbid us to watch "unlawful" signal from dave
and must sub to their pathetic programs
our "so called" prime minister's son-in-law has a huge stake in bev

maybe if the pot law pass and we buy some for the politicians, they will mellow out :)

[robinhood]

originally posted by thepoet (without much thought)

"When did we lose our common sense in Canada?"

Probably when a minority of you mooselanders deluded yourselves into believing it was some sort of civic duty to misappropriate licensed copyrighted content. When I was young, I was taught it is wrong, both civilly and religiously, to steal.




I agree with all you guys and sympathize with you as well except for "thepoet"

Not much sense was made by this post neither was there any common sense used as well...You state this as being stealing...from who the air?

First off, Dave encrypts signal from national providers which is free to all who can receive it...furthermore, the signal is in radiowaves and sent to all of central and north america. Into every nook and cranny. You justify this arguement by saying it is stealing. There is NO one stealing nothing. Now, there is the capture of a signal that is floating freely through the air waves.

Now the only concern I have is it safe for our children or will they find out later that they have turmors or cancers because of so much signal integrity from all over the world.....?
How do we not know that is is not causing global warming just with the signal being beamed world wide...?
Or, do we not care as long as it is putting money in Dave and Charlie's pocket...Better yet, why do you make this a moral issue because you feel it is your pocket? Why would you be here anyway if not for narcing or wanting to bust some simple man...

If you are a religious man don't you know that you cannot take the riches of this world with you? They will not buy you one minute in the eternal life...

You want to bash and ridicule as well as call names to someone you don't even know...(I guess that makes you moral)...Just on your basis...Get real...

You don't know what people do yet you come and judge and make acquisations...How 'bout, "Judge Not and Ye shall Not be judged.":eek:

Now if you have something to discuss...come and discuss it...don't come and call people names and try and justify what you think is morally correct or incorrect... :mad:

[gunsmoke2]

Its not flowing freely through the air waves but rather the signal is encrypted through the air waves. Against my better judgement the Supreme Court ruling says you are not allowed to decrypt the signal. Any free to air signal is allowed to be received.


DTV was very happy to have the grey market from Canada and other countries also. Its revenue for them. In recent submissions by DTV regarding the Charter arguement DTV only talks about the black market and ignores the grey market. They obviously want to stay away from Grey market because theres some much evidence that they knowling sold into Canada.


GS2

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Folks,

Its clear when you read the Canadian laws that the intent of parliament (who mentioned LAWFUL DISTRIBUTORS) was to protect the signal of those who went through the process to become a lawful distributor in Canada. Why would the law protect rogue sellers like DirecTV™ who operate illegally in Canada, did not bother to become lawful distributors and who do not contribute to the Canadian programming funds. Parliament clearly never intended to protect them and by allowing their signal to be freely received by anyone I believe they hoped this would encourage the DTV's of the world to apply for a license and become legal.

Now, many years later these laws are reinterpreted in a way the current government (who did not make this law) decides they want it to mean.

This is neither fair nor proper as it is not the job of the Supreme Court to legislate but only to rule on the words in the current law that parliament made.

Nowhere in the law is there any mention of an "absolute prohibition" which if parliament had meant they surely would have stated. How hard would it have been to say "there is an absolute prohibition for Canadians to receive any foreign encrypted broadcasting signal."

That easy to say and easy to understand and in my opinion the REASON they did NOT say that is because they did not MEAN THAT. Quite simple. Parliament knows and are not shy about saying what a law means and they do not make laws that 17 judges rule is legal (including Appeals courts) and then have it reversed years later by some cryptic interpretation of that, that no other judge in Canada EVER SAW.

And how fair is it for a court to completely change the meaning of a law that no other court interpreted this way, ever and that many people never believed to be something that was not stated.

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Its virtually like having a speed sign that says maximum speed 60 mph and getting stopped at 50 only to be told they had changed the speed limit to 40 but never mentioned it. That is what happened here.

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[LemonDrop]

Pretty good analogy king! As far as the "absolute prohibition" I believe the law was written while "johny Rogers" was still stealing and decrypting US signals and so they had to make it safe for him. Things changed with the implimentation of the free trade agreement and knew law written in 1992( or there abouts ) preventing Rogers from doing same and fining him 30mil(pocket change). He was then required to "pay" for those signals! Gee, how come he can buy and we can't.:K I guess it's because he is grandfathered, as he has been doing it for almost 40 years! His rise to billionaire status is as a result of the assistance of the Can Gov and the Liberals! Hmmmmm....I wonder, was Jack (Cretien) influencing our Supreme court?

[gunsmoke2]

Don't you mean Ted Rodgers ?



GS2

[LemonDrop]

Yeah, I guess it's my weak attempt at some humour! We need to smile at something concerning this situation. Didn't "johny rogers" have great "footwork". (ex heisman trophy winner and CFL star) Seemed appropriate!

[gunsmoke2]

Ya he played with the Montreal.. Your humor is just fine the problem is I am getting a bit old :)


Ted Rodgers was the Biggest Pirate ;)



GS2

[denverb2b]

I live in Canada Poet and ive never seen a moose in my life you complete jackass :(, igloo's and moose LOL thats what most think of Canada but the fact is I live in 90-100 degreee weather and live by the beach so kisss my ass.. Only thing I may be lacking that you get is the right to watch what I want and many other freedoms that are seemingly dissappearing yearly

[LemonDrop]

gunsmoke..your arms must be getting as short as mine!:D
Ted "is" the Biggest Pirate!

As we speak I'm doing a little seach to find the date of the original passing of the CRTC. The myth of course was that it was introduced to create a "greater" Canada by guarranteeing Canadian content. If you follow the money you realise that it was created for Ted and his liberal cronies to become fabulously rich by "taking" the sigs (not decrypted at the time) and Canadianizing them with Canadian commercials(a double win). Ted's favorite Mulroney, brought this to a crashing halt with free trade and the aggreement with the US lobby to write new legislation, C whatever in 91-92, in order to be "included" in the agreement.
I haven't read the entire Act, but I find it curious that a SC Judge could interpret legislation as inclusive of "decyphering", when it was written when sigs were not, to my knowledge, cyphered!

Hmmmmm......1968! :)

[stuffy]

You proved what I was talking about common sense no longer being the thought of the day. :( Rather than create hostility by direct confrontation about something you thought you read into a document, why not work on a solution to your problem? You obviously feel as though people in Canada are stealing your material, why not work with whomever it takes to change that situation. Did you know that legally this was not an offence in Canada when most of these incredibly bright people became involved in this industry? They were not breaking any law. Then all of a sudden the rules were changed and now everyone is trying to make some sense of it all. So goes the analogy to the pot issue. Today it is illegal, tomorrow it isn't. What about the people in jail as of last week? Has God ever started changing his commandments because He felt that things weren't going His way? :R

My parents also taught me not to call people names as it was a sign of weakness, lack of self-control. It was, along with "though shall not bear false witness", although you probably don't even realize that you have done that. Or maybe you don't care about doing that because you think that is acceptable for you to do. They also taught me that I could not change the rules in the middle of a game if I felt I was losing and wanted to win. God's commandments are listed from 1 - 10, not in order of preference, weight, or importance to Him. Each is as important as the others. Did you know that? :o

Also, if you do not believe that God does indeed sometimes understand that stealing is acceptable, then you and I do not have the same God in mind. If there are those who are hungry and steal for their family just what is needed to survive - it is indeed stealing - yet He provides for that. He calls it GLEENING. ;) Have you ever heard of that term before? I am sure if you are truly into peotry as your name suggests, than you have. Gleening has been done since the beginning of time, and should not stop. It is necessary, not evil.

He even tells those who are blessed by riches to be prepared to have some gleened by those less fortunate. Do you have a problem with that? I hope not. If God still exists today as He has back then, then these principles should still be followed.

This is not written in a haughty tone as you may read it in, but in a reassuring tone so that you may understand that you should not jump quickly into judgement about anyone without the facts. I would sooner have someone come and steal every piece of food I have for a hungry family than to have that family perish because they felt they had to lie about how well they were doing! And no, I would not persecute them, ask them for $$$ back with interest, or have them thrown in jail, slandered, humiliated, etc.

As far as calling us who proudly, patriotically, and with great honour call this great land of Canada our home a mooselander I say thank you!! :cool: If you know anything about Moose then you know that the moose population is slowly migrating south and where the moose go, the deer move out. Do you know why? I bet you don't. And yes there is death involved on behalf of the deer and not due to man. So eventually there will be moose everywhere. I can live with that! Long live the moose!

Good luck to all, especially when we are on the brink of what can turn into a very tense situation in the next few weeks......
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Regards and God Bless, especially thepoet
Stuffy

[LemonDrop]

Well said stuffy. I'm standing and "clapping" as I read this!

[Dean_M_Love]

....you can expect that we will only be allowed to smoke Canadian herb, not that nasty foreign stuff that might make us lose our Canadian identity.....

:)

[Surreptitous]

Canadian Herb Is The Best , 2001 Cannibus Cub Winners , Wahoo :) Mooselanders OMG , You Been Watching To Much Northern Exposure .

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Hi Surreptitous


You miss the point completely. Its said in the same breath as the government wont let us watch DirecTV™ or any foreign signal in case we lose our Canadian identity.

This is a satellite forum you know :)

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