ExpressVu Lawsuit !!

[incredible]

ExpressVu has sued us for a paltry $45,000,000. They say we induced a breach of contract, defamation, conspiracy ETC. They are suing us because we exposed how they sold the repatriated units. They are also suing a moderator here, but It's up to him to tell you.
They would consider dropping everything, if we drop the charter challenge. MCKENZIE WE ARE NOT ROLLING OVER & PLAYING DEAD!!
I wouldlove to see your face on our cross claim & countersuit!

[gunsmoke2]

Hi incredible


Well now Express h i t has now opened the door for more exposure on their unethical behavior. Conpiracy ? Wow! what will they think of next. ;)


So this is about dropping the charter challenge in exchange for dropping the lawsuit. They must really be desparent and Worried about the Charter



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[Kuni]

Wouldn't a victory on a Charter challenge allow for foreign providers i.e. DTV/Dish to enter the Canadian market?

[sugar ray]

great work incredible!

there are thousands behind you 100% here in canada. i have NEVER heard of such a stupid thing in all my life. they are now suing you becuase you have brought some evidence to the table? it is clear to me, that this is a last stitch effort on their part to cover up their HUGE boo-boo!

what's wrong wild bill? have you finally realized that this peice of PROOF will hurt your client BIG TIME in this case!

BOTTOM LINE: bell-expressvu wanted the law changed. stating it was ILLEGAL for canadians to sell GREY market recievers or equipment. yet they go ahead and do it themselves! you guys got caught. fair and square. and now must face the peanalty.

we stand an AWESOME chance in the charter challenge. and bell knows it! i bet you they were just as suprised to win april 26th as we were to see them win! IF the supreme court would have followed the law, WE would have won. BUT since bell is in BED with our government they think they can push us around!

grey marketers in canada were offering a service. alot of grey marketers were NOT even hacking cards for their clientel. just offered them a U.S. adress so they could subscribe to some t.v that was NOT offered by any canadian company. these grey services were paying DTV a legit 100% subscription, and taking a reasonable fee for their leg work. most grey services were even claiming their income. so they did NOTHING agianst the law!

a 3 year old can understand this. why can't mckenzie and bell-vu?

McKENZIE: you are the WORST lawyer in the history of the law! you got LUCKY in april. so you slept with the right person. copps maybe?

wouldn't it be interesting if this entire thing back-fired on bell? and DTV became a lawfull canadian distributor? guess bell would NEVER allow that!

come on canucks! donate what you can! even donate what you can't! bellvu expected this thing to just kind of fade away, it hasn't.

[ekati]

When is bell going to give up? All they show is sh!t. Their equip is sh!t. And i don't give a sh!t, I and thousands of other canadains will never stop watchin' US programming.
I hope this backfires in their faces.

We are pulling for you guys!!!

[JJ Ghastly]

Is that all they want? Heck we figured they were going after some real money. Hey Billy,will you take a check? Just another ploy to waste the court's time. I finally figured out why the good Lord created hell. With all the sh*tball lawyers out in the world their will be an endless supply of "firewood."

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Guys,

YES!! I am the moderator that is being sued. We would not want to let a lawsuit go bye in Canada that does not name me. After all how would that look.

And why am I being sued. Because I have posted the information on legal-rights.org.

Now I might be wrong but in my understanding you cant be sued for libel when the facts are true. I wonder if they sued CBC who did the same as me and reported on their sale of American receivers to a Canadian company, Continental Components who then sold them to Incredible. Now someone acting responsibly and who OWN a large quantity of American Receivers and who had just gone to the Supreme Court to get a ruling that decoding a foreign signal that is encrypted is "absolutely prohibited," even though that's is clearly NOT mentioned in the law would have a FIDUCIARY DUTY to make sure these were exported back to the USA rather than sell them to a Canadian company who can do what they want with them.

Now this is just my personal opinion but I wonder how the court will see their action. We must remember that this is not the first time that American receivers they own get sold back into Canada. In fact in the Tedmonds case Mr. McKenzie told the court that it was "A MISTAKE" and that it would not happen again. Now I assume this is another mistake. Mistakes are those things that seem to happen when these receivers are worthless in the USA but have a much greater price in Canada.

These receivers also did not have any access cards in them but no doubt Bell ExpressVu sent these back to NDS (whose property Mr. McKenzie tells the courts that they are) because their own lawyer Mr. McKenzie tells every court where there are a quantity of Access cards involved that these BELONG to NDS. So no doubt they did this in this case where there are some 3500 cards involved. But I am sure that someone from Bell ExpressVu can testify to that issue in court.

For once perhaps we will get an answer to the reasons behind the falsehoods and fraudulent Packing slips and the error of about 3000 miles between what the packing slip says and reality for the receivers they sold to Microsonics in a Boca Raton condo but delivered to Toronto. It sure seems to me to be quite a lot of MISTAKES for the same profitable issuehttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

The information on THAT mistake can be seen at:

http://www.legal-rights.org/Documents/evscans.html

but that is only one of SEVERAL other MISTAKES when it comes to selling American receivers. It will be interesting to see ALL the invoices for all the repatriated receivers that Bell ExpressVu disposed of since that program began.


I assume that Mr McKenzie can testify in court about this. I am anxious for them to explain to the court how this continues to happen by ACCIDENT, time and time again.

I also imagine that the court will be interested in knowing that a FALSE SHIPPING SLIP was COUNTERFEITED that says the receivers sold to Microsonics were shipped to a Condo on Shireoaks lane in Boca Ratom Florida when in actual fact they were shipped to Microsonics warehouse in Toronto Canada.

No doubt this will be blamed on Beamscope since it seems that mistakes are always made by someone else other than the OWNER of the receivers.
I have a feeling that this will get quite interesting before its over since FRAUDULENT shipping slips are clearly NOT a mistake.

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TTRK said:
Hi Guys,
YES!! I am the moderator that is being sued. We would not want to let a lawsuit go bye in Canada that does not name me. After all how would that look.


I feel bad saying this TTRK, because you really do not need 'yet another hassle'. But...

I'm so glad they pulled you into the mix. They are going to have their hands full and I have a hunch you are going to go for their throat!!! :)

I can hardly wait for the fireworks to start!

[ELF-CO]

TTRK, is there any possibility of seeing wild Bill’s name appear on a witness list in the future?
THAT would be most entertaining…

[Latinos]

I think all bell Canada wants is MONEY they don't care from where it came,legal, ilegal all they want is money and have control of everything,and since there is money on the black and grey market they were trying to take part of that, but thank god the guys at incredible found that out and work hard to expose this money suckers,
I am with you guys and hope we win,it just amazing how they forget that the only reason they are a big company is thank to us the customers,the more we find out what BELL is trying to do the more we should try to buy less from them.

[livnfree]

CBC still has the story posted...... I guess its only a problem for certain people to post it? (TTRK)

http://cbc.ca/national/sasa/gms_bell.html

I think Sasha would be interested in doing a follow-up story on this since the original story was the root of this...?

Just fixed the link as it was not working.
To The REAL king!!

[wh0kn0ws]

bah.. perhaps if xvu had a decent prodcut people wouldent CHOSE to watch Dave and Charlie.

[Dean_M_Love]

...nothing new with Mckenzie, sue for a huge amount, settle for next to nothing if you get your way.....


It is worth noting that McKenzie continues to be under investigation by the Law Society of Upper Canada for his abuse of court process here in Manitoba, which he has been unable to wriggle out of....that complaint WILL prevent him from acting in ANY other jurisdiction in Canada other than Ontario, without first obtaining call from that jurisdictions law society, which they may refuse based on the complaints against him.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Elf-Co and Guys,

I think someone may have stepped in deep do-do on this one. You know the cow pie type.

I think we will all be adequately entertained by the witnesses many of whom may be totally unexpected and some who certainly CAN be expected. I wont say too much because its before the courts now but many of us cannot wait for it to come up.

Fortunately this one was pre-anticipated and every step of the way is recorded. And naturally I am sure THEY have recorded the MISSING parts too :)

But there were also several other purchases over the last few years and I guess they were all "Mistakes." No matter what crap they put before the courts it gets slightly suspect when several occasions over several years happen that are all "mistakes." I personally don't think they judge exists that will allow for repeated PROFITABLE mistakes. But then I could be wrong and maybe the 7th time is a MISTAKE and we have to wait until its over 10 times before it no longer becomes a" mistake." What do you folks think? You know its as they say "ONLY TESTIMONY WILL TELL"http://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

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[Andrew8468]

Where was this lawsuit filed? Was it in Toronto or elsewhere? Please post details as to time/date/location etc. as soon as possible.

[Jeet]

Originally posted by Kuni
Wouldn't a victory on a Charter challenge allow for foreign providers i.e. DTV/Dish to enter the Canadian market?

Nope. They would still need approval from the CRTC, without that approval they would not be able to sell their services in Canada.

A charter victory though would permit you to watch anything that you can pick up with rabbit ears or with a descrambler. The only limitation would be that if you were pirating a service that is authorized by the CRCTC then you would be in contravention of the Criminal Code.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Guys,

The case is filed in Barrie Ontario under court number 02-B4908.

Somehow I am not sure that is the correct jurisdiction for this but we will have to see.

But certainly a lot of the witnesses such as the people at Microsonics and UPS and APEX Express are all in the Toronto area so that could be a good place for the suit.http://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

Is Barrie near Toronto?
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[DoctorNik]

fairly close,,, yes... just a short drive

[Salty Jizm]

Originally posted by To The Real King!!
Hi Elf-Co and Guys,

I think we will all be adequately entertained by the witnesses many of whom may be totally unexpected and some who certainly CAN be expected. I wont say too much because its before the courts now but many of us cannot wait for it to come up.

Fortunately this one was pre-anticipated and every step of the way is recorded. And naturally I am sure THEY have recorded the MISSING parts too :)


I like the 'tone'. TTRK does not sound concerned! I have a hunch he is 'loaded for bear'. Wait until you see the whites of thier eyes! :)

[sparker]

hi king barrie is about 45 mins north of toronto on hiway 400

[gunsmoke2]

Hi TTRK,


I was at Barrie attending a court hearing regarding incredible awhile back when his goods were seized unlawfully. They switch Judges at the last moment where they got a piss poor Judge with perhaps some prejudice. A.G was so upset he only allowed me dressed with a suit in the courtroom while D.F. waited outside. If memory serves me right the piss poor Judge ruled against incredible and they ending up winning later on.


Make sure you don't get that piss poor Judge. ;)



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[Andrew8468]

Now I have more questions...

1. Which court was this lawsuit filed in?
2. Is this related to the other lawsuit McKenzie threatened to file after the CBC story?
3. Where on the Ontario Govt/Canadian Govt websites do you look to find court info?

[ekati]

I have a question or two:
1. Will hidden camera footage be allowed on court? Don't both parties involved have to consent to being filmed?


2. If i read/see this right, this was a cash sale. Don't cash sales over $9000 have to be registered with the gov't? If so,was this sale registered?

[Dean_M_Love]

oh absolutely not, in fact the hidden cameras/recorders are a favourite tool used by ExpressVu's own private D I C K Donald Best, (who is currently being sued by myself)....I have also heard that he sometimes forgets to stop the tape and says certain things he later regrets, or forgets to edit certain things out....

I heard that in one related case he offers to smoke a certain substance with someone (and he was the offerer) and forgot he was still recording and it ended up in the record....if it is true, it goes along with his style perfectly, he would then later say "I had occasion to witness the defendant indulging in illicit drugs..." which all goes towards the story that they need the anton pillar because the person breaks so many laws and knows it, and therefore is unlikely to comply with ordinary discovery proceedings if served with the lawsuit in the normal fashion...

[XXL]

When is the cahrter challenge taking place, pretty soon? I have been out of the loop for a bit. Thanks.

[gunsmoke2]

Now I have more questions...

1. Which court was this lawsuit filed in?
2. Is this related to the other lawsuit McKenzie threatened to file after the CBC story?
3. Where on the Ontario Govt/Canadian Govt websites do you look to find court info?


It was filed in Ontario Provincial Court


Yes its related to the CBC story


On the Ontario website but not sure if listed yet



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