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rommel92
September 23rd, 2002, 09:23 AM
I have a couple questions after reading the laws. First the cut and paste of the law pertaing to possesion of a device. Title 18 sec 2512
" manufactures, assembles, possesses, or sells any electronic, mechanical, or other device, knowing or having reason to know that the design of such device renders it primarily useful for the purpose of the surreptitious interception of wire, oral, or electronic communications, and that such device or any component thereof has been or will be sent through the mail or transported in interstate or foreign commerce; or "
First the word interception jumps out at me because these devices can never be used for interception. More importantly, the phrase "knowing or having reason to know that the design renders it primarily useful for the purpose of the surreptitious interception of wire, oral, or electronic communications, " My argument is that I know that there are many use of these devices. I hypothetically did not buy anything knowing its primary use was for hacking dtv. I knew at the time that there were many other legal uses for the device. How can they prove what you did or did not know.
Discussion and opinion is very welcome.

crownvic
September 23rd, 2002, 02:52 PM
Yeah if you want to get technical you could say that a Phone Recorder from Rat Shack serves a primary purpose of recording a phone conversation without the other parties consent.
How many tell the other party that they are recording the phone conversation. Also a simple scanner can pick up phone coversation 49mhz or 900mhz. There are many more examples but I don't want folks running to Rat Shack breaking the law.:Z
After all these are also FCC compliant devices.

phoztech
September 23rd, 2002, 03:06 PM
well if you bought it fom a known satellite hacking equipment provider that states that its use is to unllopp program and get all th channels... .then it would stand to reason tht its presumed use is for hacking dtv and that you knew that is what it was for....


one thin i always think of is that you dont see companies like microsoft an sony sending out letters to everyone who buys a cd burner or a 50 pack spindle of cd's... and their primary use is copying software and copying music. the legitmate purpose of making backups and data storage is definitely secondary.....

crownvic
September 23rd, 2002, 03:56 PM
:)
We could go on and on,what is the primary use for a pistol(how many Deer have you shot with it)..LOL
There are endless things that could be used for illegal purposes..

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September 23rd, 2002, 05:46 PM
Hi rommel92,

The fact is that you are 100% right with what you say but its all hypothetical because you have to fight them in court to bring any of those facts out but like 99% of the people you will probably not fight them. So its nothing but a big waste of time to go on discussing hypothetical things that end up being meaningless.

If you do intend to fight them your lawyer will know what you say and because of that he could probably win if you did not use it to steal TV.

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