Republicans Win

[georgeww]

Ole Bush put on that big azz size 13 and kicked it for the homies!!!

[dsscircuits]

Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iraq. Bomb Iraaaq

[rod3369]

True. democrats are infamous for the "let's sit down and talk this over" kind of stuff. You want a war you put a republican in office.

Last 3 republican presidents: Reagan- He was ready to kick Russia's butt in a heartbeat, George Sr. -Persian Gulf War, George Jr. -Afghan war and then Iraq and then and then...

Democratic Clinton - 8 years and the Middle East Peace Pact. Well how good is that working now?

[liz_lochley]

Yes, truly a sad day for America. The rich will get richer and the poor will suffer. Watch personal freedoms erode away along with the economy.

[Sgt_Stedenko]

Originally posted by dsscircuits
Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iraq. Bomb Iraaaq

ROTFL!

[rod3369]

Originally posted by Liz_lochley
Yes, truly a sad day for America. The rich will get richer and the poor will suffer. Watch personal freedoms erode away along with the economy

Your right, republicans sure know how to ruin an economy. However the Enron's and Worldcom's and Tyco's did their own damage to the economy. Democratics rebuild the economy and then the republicans come in after them and go to war and deplete the economy. Round and round we go.

[phoztech]

Originally posted by rod3369
Your right, republicans sure know how to ruin an economy. However the Enron's and Worldcom's and Tyco's did their own damage to the economy. Democratics rebuild the economy and then the republicans come in after them and go to war and deplete the economy. Round and round we go.


gimme a break.... the majority of the scandals that have come to light in the last 1-2 years or so are from or started in the clinton era...

1. the president has little to do with the economy, businesses and consumers drive the economy.

2. greenspan has more control than any one single person, especially the president. and dont go saying oh he was put in office by bush jr... no he wasnt ...he has been running the show for both democrats and republicans for a long a$$ time.

3. personal freedoms erode away under democrats also... you would think that you would realize this since you are posting on this forum inparticular(DMCA ring a bell?).

4. Dems are for big government and tight control, republicans are for less government and let the fittest survive.

5. "rich get richer and poor get poorer..." yes the democrats will get richer... you realize that the democrats in the house/senate are worth more money than the republicans.

6. War also revives a struggling economy. production of military parts and machinary increases. and winning a war boosts morale, thus consumer confidence.

7. all politicians (repubs/dems) are idiots, and dont deserve my vote. i write in my own name.(note: i did vote for perot, even though he was not a great speaker he had less of a hidden agenda than the others)

[georgeww]

I believe you might see a recovery in the economy, might be wrong.
Im going to look at it this way, at least the world knows that America is going to stand up for itself and even if the economy(which I think will be fine within a year) suffers at least we all will be safer than if we just went over there(Middle East)and shook some hands or blowed up a milk factory.
Dont underestimate Bush jr., He's not my hero but I do see leadership potential.
The Democrats gave Clinton eight years.
I believe this man has luck on his side and after all isnt that what Clinton had??
Clinton happened to be President when Microsoft made most of it's money and when the information highway was being built.
The Democrats want you to believe that the economy cant recover without them and I dont see that.

[dsscircuits]

It will defiantly help improve the aerospace industry. Which is where I work.

[georgeww]

I like that aerospace stuff!
I worked for Rockwell International(made parts for Space Shuttle) and in just five years of investment in Boeing I had 100 dollars a month in pension(still growing.)
I believe taking Sadaam out of power will be looked on in History as a move that benefited the entire Middle East if it proves succesfull.
I would give credit to Clinton for taking out Melosovich.
Clinton didnt see any threat to America but he still went and stopped the carnage(although a little late).
We have heard so much slack concerning this"why should we go over there? They dont pose a threat to us?"
Why dont we just say that it is in our nations interest to have a stronghold over there were they like to train to blow up our buildings and people?
Thats enough for me.

[phoztech]

ok my thoughts on the economy...
things in the stock market have come off of there lows, and will likely stay above the 8k mark in the dow. interest rates will stay the same for a while cause of the rate cut but have a chance of rising due to the rising stock markets. The real shake down is goign to occur in the realestate market.. history has shown that realestate collapses after a recession/depression, generally the 1-2 years after recovery has started aka 2003-2004. so if ya own property and have a chance to sell or are thinking about moving in the next year or so sell now and do it fast ... you will see houses in some areas that sold for 200k now only selling for 150k... alot of people will be defaulting on loans etc... this represents a great time to buy for an investment in realestate, realestate will recover the loses by 2007-2008.
dont expect a boom like the 90's to ever happen again, but jobs etc will start to be more abundant and things start turning again in late 2004 and 2005.consulting industries will not recover till 2006-7, basic industry has allready started the recovery process. expect highering freezes to be lifted in early to mid 2003.


I have tons of thoughts on this type of subject matter... and could ramble on for days.

[shock theory]

the only thing i give bush credit for is our deficit, not all of it but most. he, along with the rest of the gop gave it all away to the filthy rich. the rest got $250. i hope that new car stereo was worth a 2 trillion dollar reversal.

and he didn't liberate afghanastan, our military did. yes, the same military he said was in shambles all through-out his presidential campaign. can someone tell me what he did to turn the armed forces around so quickly?

and the only benificiarys of his stem cell decision was the religious right. i dont think religious views should detemine the health of future generations. reagan had the same philosophys when he turned his back on the a.i.d.s. virus, thinking it was just a "gay" disease, but once "strait" people began getting sick he started to pay attention.

but you gotta hand it to the guy for making millions of an oil company that never found oil, and a losing baseball team.

dont get me wrong, i cant stand demacrats either, but the president takes the wrap or credit for what happens on his watch.

but, back to topic lol. the republicans own all 3 houses now, so there wont be any confusion as to whos responsible for any snafu's. and if you ask any political scientist, they will tell you, its a bad idea for any party to have across the board power.

i just wanted to throw my opinion out there too.

[georgeww]

I agree with you Shock Theory that now the Republicans have to deliver common sense reforms that benefit the people and not the partys.
As far as this economy thing goes I think the Senate and Congres know that if the economy and everyday people's situations are not improved then the Republican majority will be short lived.
In light of all that, what if the Republican majority succeeds at this task? It IS possible if you look at what the Senate is saying, they want to get the job done or either they are just lying and if they are lying they will pay and pay dearly, right?
Sometimes a situation like this has to happen in order for our Government to get it's priorities straight and I think that might be what is happening.
I might be trying to be positive but in light of recent events(9-11, terrorism) I am willing to give optimism a try.

[shock theory]

good responce george!

i should also add, i wanted to vote for Mcain (sp) but he didn't make the cut, so i voted gore. but in light of 9-11 i'm glad bush is president.

[georgeww]

I feel your pain on that Gore vote.
I voted for Perot in 92!! What was I thinking!!
Ill give you a little humor spin on this Republican deficit.
At least when were running a deficit you hear the Senate and the House wanting to actually save a little money or at least cut a little out of that steady PORK diet that they love so much(wheres the beef?), when their running a surplus all they can think about is spending the heck out of it!
I know, I want a surplus too, but if they get another one I want another check!!

[condmca]

Not to rag on you specifically Shock, but since you're giving me the ammo ;-) ...

Originally posted by shock theory
the only thing i give bush credit for is our deficit, not all of it but most. he, along with the rest of the gop gave it all away to the filthy rich. the rest got $250. i hope that new car stereo was worth a 2 trillion dollar reversal.

The GOP also gave us a military that not only bankrupt the Soviet Union, but helped us liberate Kuwait, old Yugoslavia, and Afghanistan, with very little casualties. Would this have been the case had Reagan not given our country the military we thankfully have right now, post 9-11?

Originally posted by shock theory
and he didn't liberate afghanastan, our military did. yes, the same military he said was in shambles all through-out his presidential campaign. can someone tell me what he did to turn the armed forces around so quickly?

He actually used our Military! Clinton was WAY WAY too cautious to have been a Commander in Chief, and too eager to please the Europeans and every other peacenik too afraid to confront people that despise us as the freedom loving people we are.

Originally posted by shock theory
and the only benificiarys of his stem cell decision was the religious right. i dont think religious views should detemine the health of future generations. reagan had the same philosophys when he turned his back on the a.i.d.s. virus, thinking it was just a "gay" disease, but once "strait" people began getting sick he started to pay attention.?

I agree with you here, Bush should not stand in the way of any advancement whatsoever, business or medical, especially if it's to satisfy Religous contributors. Bad, Bad George, don't stifle medical advancement because of religious views.

Originally posted by shock theory
but you gotta hand it to the guy for making millions of an oil company that never found oil, and a losing baseball team

His company refined oil and helped explore new oil reserves like all Texas oil companies do. If he was in Silicon Valley maybe he would have worked for a dot-com...Would he be considered a bad business man just because a dot-com he worked for didn't survive.
As for baseball, at least he kept the Team in Texas, and what's not to like about a sports nut anyways? Maybe if Al Gore had played more sports growing up he never would have withdrwn his concession--"I've changed my mind about that six-inch put george, I now need to see you make it"

Originally posted by shock theory
dont get me wrong, i cant stand demacrats either, but the president takes the wrap or credit for what happens on his watch.

but, back to topic lol. the republicans own all 3 houses now, so there wont be any confusion as to whos responsible for any snafu's. and if you ask any political scientist, they will tell you, its a bad idea for any party to have across the board power.

i just wanted to throw my opinion out there too.

Let him take the "rap" for what happens now that the GOP controls all. At least things will finally get passed in congress. It's not always bad when one party controls all, sometimes it's necessary. In this era of terrorism, we must shed our post-vietnam "peace-at-all-costs" ideals because this middle east thing just ain't gonna go away on its own.
Once our military is based in Iraq, we'll once and for all be able to contain the most volitile region of the world. With troops positioned in the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan AND Iraq, the U.S. will be able to contain any civil wars that inevitably happen in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Once this happens the new governments may finally become accountable to all freedom loving countries on the face of this Earth.
...and our children might even be able to one day visit a democratic Arabia even, how'd that be for positive change! ...and history will give credit where credit is due, to George W ;)

[georgeww]

I have been voting for these Republicans for a long time and I feel like a lot of people, they had better do something for the good of the WHOLE COUNTRY.
I hope in this evil day that it is still possible.
All I can say is that it looks like a lot of the people in America feel the same as I when they went to the poles. They knew that the Democrats were making moves that would make a sailor blush(Welstone party,etc) and they thought they had it all planned out.
It was time for a shake up in this country and everyone that went to the poles knew that on Tuesday of this week EITHER PARTY could have taken the majority President not withstanding.
Both parties now know(the Dems refused to see this point on Monday) that there has to be a fresh start in Washington and it looks like for now the Republicans have been given the responsibility of carrying that agenda forward. I hope they dont screw it up!

[Psycho99]

Originally posted by MRREDSKINBOB
well said...

if they would all stick to the REAL issues
and stop mud slinging.
people might feel better when they do vote...!

..But then...what fun would that be??? :eek:

~~The Psycho

[georgeww]

Thats the point I guess, it needs to be more fun than it is.
If the politics where more for the people's issues(economy, state infrastructure) people wouldnt be so stressed out about the issue of politics.
Then again, Psycho could help us with the stress part> HA

[PackerBacker]

He he he, its amazing what a united front does to the enemy, did you see how fast the un passed our resolution today?? LOL, time to play 'Hide the salami, in Sadami' ;)

[dcctwheller]

You are right! Trickle down economics is wonderful (for the rich). It did miraculous things for the economy in the 80's. Can you say largest deficit this country has every scene. Interest rates at an all time high. The President and the administration does play a huge role in fiscal policy and the economy. I guess you will get a 2 year break. We will see where we all stand then.

T

P.S. Can you say Iran/Contra? They where the REAL crooks. Bush and Reagan should both be in jail for perjury along with many ohter crimes.

Originally posted by phoztech
gimme a break.... the majority of the scandals that have come to light in the last 1-2 years or so are from or started in the clinton era...

1. the president has little to do with the economy, businesses and consumers drive the economy.

2. greenspan has more control than any one single person, especially the president. and dont go saying oh he was put in office by bush jr... no he wasnt ...he has been running the show for both democrats and republicans for a long a$$ time.

3. personal freedoms erode away under democrats also... you would think that you would realize this since you are posting on this forum inparticular(DMCA ring a bell?).

4. Dems are for big government and tight control, republicans are for less government and let the fittest survive.

5. "rich get richer and poor get poorer..." yes the democrats will get richer... you realize that the democrats in the house/senate are worth more money than the republicans.

6. War also revives a struggling economy. production of military parts and machinary increases. and winning a war boosts morale, thus consumer confidence.

7. all politicians (repubs/dems) are idiots, and dont deserve my vote. i write in my own name.(note: i did vote for perot, even though he was not a great speaker he had less of a hidden agenda than the others)

[dsscircuits]

I believe the highest interest rate's were Jimmy carters doing. And I wish I were receiving those interest rates now.

[dsscircuits]

_____________________________________________________________________
(note: i did vote for perot, even though he was not a great speaker he had less of a hidden agenda than the others)
_____________________________________________________________________

Yes Perot the billionare that ran on the platform that he could relate to the middle class?

His hidden agenda was to split the republican vote and let the democrats win.

[dsscircuits]

_____________________________________________________________________It did miraculous things for the economy in the 80's.
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In the 80's you could not go anywhere and not see a help wanted sign.

[georgeww]

I remember when the interest rates were 10% on a certificate of deposit.
If only I had some money then.
I remember a guy who went and bought a Corvette then and he was drawing enough interest on his savings account to pay the payment!!

[dsscircuits]

The good old days. I bought my Corvette in the 80s

[mdriksna]

This is my thought of republicans, dems. alike they are just a pawn for special intrest money for the big money holders. The industries pay are elected legislaturs to attack the "clean water act" "safe water act" happy 30th. So they can Dump there crap in are most precious resource. And that's just one....I listed that one because that's the one that pisses me off the most. Money controls are legislators. U.S. or state. They do not pass laws for the good of are country nor the people that live in that country....but for special intrest MONEY MONEY MONEY...this country is running itself in the crapper as we all sit by and watch and or let it happen.....How long till we say enough and make a change. This is just my option.

[dsscircuits]

I agree we have the best government MONEY CAN BUY.

[georgeww]

You know what they say, you get what you pay for.
You just sometimes dont know what it is at the point of sale.

[scott1son]

I am stunned talking politics. And no bashing. This is truly the way this should be. I applaud you people

[Endeavor]

In Ohio the Governors race was won by money. Republicans here pass every law they can stopping Unions from backing political candidates, but not stopping business from backing them. The governors Salary in Ohio is $130,292 a year. Now the incumbent (a republican) had a 12 million dollar budget for his campaign. The democrat opposition had only 1 million to spend. He was backed by Unions and not Big Business and only had a million. It just shows you who runs this country. I just wish I knew of another scam that can net you 12 million dollars to get a job that pays $130,292 a year. 130,292 * 4 = 521,168 and he raised 12,000,000 to get it. Just makes you wonder who he answers to when the time comes.

Originally posted by scott1son


I am stunned talking politics. And no bashing. This is truly the way this should be. I applaud you people

Who asked you anyway. this thread was going along smoothly until you had to come in here and start instigating stuff just but out. :) just kidding...




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[georgeww]

Endeavor, that Canadian beer sure packs a punch!
Anyway, I was just increasing my thread count.

[dsscircuits]

Funny thing about Canadian beer is it's cheaper here than in Canada

[Sgt_Stedenko]

Originally posted by dsscircuits
Funny thing about Canadian beer is it's cheaper here than in Canada

It's those damn taxes! :(

[PackerBacker]

Originally posted by georgeww
I remember when the interest rates were 10% on a certificate of deposit.
If only I had some money then.
I remember a guy who went and bought a Corvette then and he was drawing enough interest on his savings account to pay the payment!!

Obviously we need a quick lesson in economics, Intrest rates rise and fall in concert with inflation, sooooo if you make 10% interest on a cd, and the inflation rate is 9.5% you have made .5% on your money. Sorry to bust that bubble, I always thought that too , until I had lunch with an economist.

[dsscircuits]

Packerbacker I don't need an economics lesson this is very basic math. Economics is much more complicated than 10 - 9.5 =.5

[PackerBacker]

During the early 80's the infation rate was .5 lower than the interest rates soooo, if you make 10% interest on your money yet everything (on average) cost 9.5% more, then you are making .5% BUT this does not average out compounding interest which in a high interest, high inflation market can work well for the person who saves in this manner.

[dsscircuits]

Originally posted by PackerBacker
During the early 80's the infation rate was .5 lower than the interest rates soooo, if you make 10% interest on your money yet everything (on average) cost 9.5% more, then you are making .5% BUT this does not average out compounding interest which in a high interest, high inflation market can work well for the person who saves in this manner.

Your theory ony works if you spend the exact same amount as you save.

[Endeavor]

Originally posted by georgeww
Endeavor, that Canadian beer sure packs a punch!
Anyway, I was just increasing my thread count.

Yea I know, I have to make another run for the border and get some more Molsen's XXX It's been a few weeks since I had any :)

I hope I didn't offend scott1son I was just kidding :)


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[scott1son]

Endeavor no you did not. I'm to far gone on that Canadian beer to be
offended. Just readind the forum as it's writen. Dam that beer is good.

[Sgt_Stedenko]

Dam that beer is good.

Yes indeed it is. :cool:

[georgeww]

Unless we just hit rock bottom I dont see those inflation rates going that high for a long time to come.
I think that also might have something to do with the Republican win last week.
If we can just get everybody back to work in the next year then I think there will be another economic boom.jmo
Im from the South and the big money maker here is in the housing and real estate business.
You guys are right about the inflation eating up the profits in the 80's, but it all worked out if you had the money to invest at the time, thats what I was saying.
P.S. Ive been drinking that Smirnoff Ice, tastes like lemonade!!weird

[dsscircuits]

Hefeweizen in hand