Canadian Lobby group

[bill41]

Hey everyone...this is more than likeley our tax dollars at work here given out freely by the Liberal government to help these poor coalitionists!! Just so they can protect a system that shoudn't have protection...here is the link...interesting and sickening!
www.casst-ccvss.ca
:mad:

[Milez]

Hmmm...I see the domain belongs to: The Canadian Cable Television Association.

[bill41]

I wrote them an e-mail to ask them if and when anyone that has bought a sat system will be compensated fully as it was bought in the faith that the government allowed them to be used here as well as collecting the taxes on sales of the systems, I think Dean can vouch for dealers sending in thier sales tax and gst...I also asked about c-band and if it was going to be grandfathered as legal to use as it has been here for over 20 years and supplied many Canadian homes in areas where thier was no service or local stations, many of these people still realie on thier systems for info and a source of entertainment....still waiting for an answer, guess they are checking with thier legal counsel first! :mad:

[KX250MX]

c ASS t :)

[bill41]

Over 1 week and no reply......gee I may have to complain to the crtc!;)
I think more people should go and e-mail them and voice thier concerns if you know what I mean!!

[Mustang5ohhh]

What ... one week and no reply ??? Say it ain't so. A gov't agency that doesn't give an answer in a week ??? Our tax dollars well spent again ... I'm still laughing at the Home Heating refund of a $150 they sent out to 7500 dead people and 1000 inmates.

Don't hold your breath ... it's like writting an MP, waste of time and paper.

[Dean_M_Love]

Originally posted by bill41
I wrote them an e-mail to ask them if and when anyone that has bought a sat system will be compensated fully as it was bought in the faith that the government allowed them to be used here as well as collecting the taxes on sales of the systems, I think Dean can vouch for dealers sending in thier sales tax and gst...I also asked about c-band and if it was going to be grandfathered as legal to use as it has been here for over 20 years and supplied many Canadian homes in areas where thier was no service or local stations, many of these people still realie on thier systems for info and a source of entertainment....still waiting for an answer, guess they are checking with thier legal counsel first! :mad:

Yes we paid thousand upon thousands of dollars to the various levels of government for sales taxes and income taxes...anyone who doesn't pay their taxes is an idiot and only serves to further tarnish the image of the community as lawless people....

[Latinos]

They are just wasting TAX MONEY i also send them an e-mail and still not responce

[bill41]

Gee I think EVERYONE should e-mail them and show some concern about what they want to do! LET EM HAVE IT!!!:mad:

[KeVoRk|aN]

My question to them....see if they get back to me.....


If I am to swallow this stuff that you say about DirecTV and Dishnetwork Systems I suggest that you somehow block the signals of all broadcasts that are foreign or free in nature. I want to see you enforce an outright ban on TV antennas, C-Band, and Radio Broadcasts on AM, FM and Short Wave Radio. It afterall, is all the same. I want TV Ontario as the only channel. Like the BBC system or the German Nazi-Style propagana machine of WW2. Radio Free Europe was afterall a hinderance ya? I think that true information should be only reserved for those of power and they should tell the average consumer the smallest portion of the facts that we should know to keep us happy and satisfied. As long as we get to see the Leafs....it's all good. This information that we shall recieve should be closely censored and decided by federally-supported corporations only, as they know what's best for us. Let's throw away institutions such as the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and make Shiella Copps Prime Minister. Though our hertitage minister we can kick out McDonalds and replace it with Harvey's - a true Canadian institution.... Oh...damn...we didn't invent the hamburger. Well I trust we can go with parliament. Oh...we didn't invent that either.... Well at least we have 51% of Tim Hortons which is only 49% American owned and controlled, we can still get our gas from Shell and shop at Tommy Hilfiger, Wal-Mart and Sears....oh....umm...... Well anyhow - let's resist the American invasion before it starts. We don't want to become Americanized eh? Ban foreign broadcasts...we could save the CFL....

[Latinos]

They cry that black and grey market satellites are taking customers away from them,well i am a customer if they want me back they sure convence me why i should stop sending my money to dish,by ignoring my e-mail they are just telling me how important my bussines is to them.

[Bowen13]

Good analogy to the CFL.

I sent them one also....


Dear CASST;

Just a few questions regarding satellite signal theft.

First regarding the "grey" market:

1. Canadian customer subs to Directv or EchoStar;

2. Canadian customer pays for programming with a Canadian credit card;

Why does DTV/EchoStar accept payments with a Canadian credit card? Both DTV/EchoStar claim that they will not knowingly activate or maintain a Canadian account. Yet, they accept payment with Canadian credit cards. Canadian credit cards have different numbers, so there can be no mistaking one from the other. I DTV/EchoStar are really trying to stop Canadians from subing to their programming, they would stop accepting payments with Canadian credit cards.

Why does the CASST not go after DTV/EchoStar to purge their systems of all customers that are paying with a Canadian credit card? Ater all how many Americans would have a Canadian credit card and not have an American one? It would have to be a very, very, very small percentage. If they are legit, they should have no problem switching their payments to an American credit card. Who are really the thieves here? The customer who pays DTV/EchoStar for their programming or DTV/EchoStar for knowingly accepting payment from Canadians? Why go after small Canadian dealers, when the root of the problem is DTV/EchoStar? If they make it to hard to sub from Canada (such as getting an American credit card) the customer base would soon dry up. USSB started doing this before they were bought out by DTV. Why did DTV start accepting Canadian credit cards again?

Second regarding the "reverse grey" market:

Why has the CASST not gone after ExpressVu and StarChoice for accepting American credit card payments for their programming? Both ExpressVu/StarChoice claim that any Canadian subing to an American provider is a "thief", yet they knowingly accept payments from American customers. How can they say that ExpressVu/StarChoice accepting money from an American customer is all right, but a Canadian "customer" subing to DTV/EchoStar is a "theif"? If ExpressVu/StarChoice are really trying to stop Americans from subing, then why do they not purge their systems of all American credit card payments?

Why is it that ExpressVu and the CASST are sueing grey market dealers, when ExpressVu and StarChoice dealers are openly selling their product to the USA? Why have they done nothing to stop this and shut down the dealers doing it?

Third regarding "programming not available from a Canadian provider".

Most canadians subing to an American provider do so because the Canadian probider will not or can not provide the programming that the customer wishes to sub to. How can the Canadian providers call "theft" when they do not provide the service themselves?

Fourth regarding our "heritage":

How can stopping Canadians from receiving foreign programming signals protect our heritage? This is our constitutional right. How does cutting off ethnic and religious programming preserve our heritage? This sounds more like a communist countries way of protecting their heritage.

Fifth regarding "Canadian content programming":

Why does this rule exist? Are we really that second rate? If a canadian program cannot sell itself on it's own merit, then it should not be on the air. Canadians should not be forced to subsidize these programs in order to receive programming other than over the air.

Sixth regarding "Canadian providers are competitive":

If Canadian providers are competitive as the CASST claim, they why are they afraid to compete? Why would they not be pusing for an open border? The American market place is huge compared to Canada.

Thanks for your time. I will look forward to hearing your answers.


Yours sincerely;

Rod


What a surprise....over a week an no response:gg

[KeVoRk|aN]

Well it's been 2 days and no reply from casst or the industry canada site I cc'd it to. here's the complaint or sorry comments email - create havoc - email them...nothing spells opinions like a flooded inbox.......

coalition@casst-ccvss.ca

[bill41]

Good work, excellent posts and yes we all need to reply to e-mail them just to let thier stuffy group of starched shirts know we are out here and fighting!! All anyone has to do is send an e-mail expressing thier concerns and rights and demand a reply....this is starting to catch some steam and the more the merrier, also try to boycott Petro-Can gas stations, in doing this we will be jerking profits from a basically government run outfit and making the board of directors (which consist mostly of patronage positions) look like losers...You have to fight them on more than one front to win, so guys and girls....GIVE EM HELL!!!:mad:
Mabey this thread should get a sticky to keep it on the front page to get maximum readability and participation, how about it mods?

[KeVoRk|aN]

I think Petro Canada was severly mismanaged and ended being sold to private enterprise. Go figure.... nice suggestion though, just like the 407 in a way. You can however change your service from Bell to Sprint or ATT for your home line. Or just plain go cellular. Internet is the double sword - you either support Bell or the Cable company for service. I chose the cable company - at least they are locally owned and are not Rogers in my area. I still boycott Petro Canada because of their prices and unfair labour practices. I even have a boycott Petro Canada t-sirt from a union conference a year ago.

Still no reply......

[bill41]

Yes they were sort of sold off a few years back.....in shares on the market...but the reason for my suggestion is that most of the upper management and board of directors are still ex cronies from the past governments that got thier gainful employment on the backs of all taxpayers and yes it initially was a crown corporation but as for now...I believe it is a shell crown corporation...like most others that were sold off they still feed from the pockets of all Canadians and are usually rescued from the appointed powers to be...old crown corporations never die, they just keep getting tax dollars to float them.....even though they should just be shut down....but they wont for the simple fact that they keep political allies employed or placed on thier payroll somewhere!

[bill41]

Over 2 weeks now and still not a peep from them....guess they don't give a rats ass over concerned citizens...anyone else get anything out of them yet?:mad:

[KeVoRk|aN]

No reply here either.........

[bill41]

Well last nights Ottawa Citizen had an article about our friends that are fighting against sat signal theft( the cable tv industry end of it)they are all reduced to junk bond status! They are blaming it on the satellite industry and percieve it only to get worse...Well I say they can blame it on themselves! If they would have decent prices and allow consumers what they want to watch instead of whats regulated to them then mabey they wouldn't have a problem! Seems to me they are fighting the wrong people here, they should be going after the government to deregulate the CRTC and allow full access to all programming available...If they are so worried about preserving canadian culture on television they will find out that huge injections of taxpayers dollars are not nescessary for good well produced shows to survive...it is the crap that will die a long deserving death and help the people by saving billions of dollars a year trying to float the cement raft that is most of the programs produced in Canada! Mabey they might be able to fix health care or the military and save some lives and make a real difference with the savings.....

[Mustang5ohhh]

I've copied and pasted this from the "cASSt" site (hope they don't mind, last thing I need is some more Federales coming looking for me)


It's a question of fairness
The reason U.S. networks are not available in Canada is due to rights negotiations.

U.S. program suppliers sell rights or grant permission to broadcast a program to both the U.S. and to Canada broadcasters.


Canadian broadcasters buy the rights to some U.S. programs (such as Six Feet Under, The Sopranos) from HBO, ESPN and Showtime and air them in Canada on Canadian services like The Movie Network, Movie Central, TSN and Bravo! Canadian broadcasters earn their revenue from the advertising and subscriptions associated with that programming. Canadian television consumers therefore benefit from U.S. programming and Canadian programming as well as other international sources - all based on the fair and established rules of copyright compensation.


Now ... correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't it the CRTC that won't allow them to sell subscriptions because of the whole "canadian content" thing? These a$$holes are misleading the public by making them think that they would allow them but, they're having trouble negotiating rights.

Here's another one:


Offense/Penalty
Manufacturing, importing, distributing, leasing, offering for sale, selling, installing, modifying, possessing or operating an illegal decoder without lawful excuse. s.10(1)(b) Individuals: Fine up to $5,000 per day or/and a prison term of up to one year. Corporations: Fine up to $25,000 per day or/and a prison term of up to six (6) months.

For decoding a scrambled signal without permission. s. 9(1)(c) Individuals: Fine up to $10,000 per day or/and a prison term of up to six (6) months. Corporations: Fine up to $25,000 per day.

For receiving a scrambled signal that has been decoded without permission Individuals: Fine up to $10,000 per day or/and a prison term of up to six (6) months. Corporations: Fine up to $25,000 per day.


Per day ??? Per diem ??? WTF ... I've read the RC Act a few times since April and I don't recall seeing a per day rate.

These guys are out of control, I found it amusing that you guys were writting these jackasses and were getting no reply ( I think I even posted something about it ) so now ... I eat my words and send out my apologies to all that took the time to write. I still think that these guys are just "fronts" for Bell and Industry Canada and that writting these guys is just wasting time and effort. I do suggest that we find out exaclty how much of our tax dollars are being spent on this propaganda and write our MPs and let them know exactly how strong we feel about our tax dollars being wasted on false information. Freedom of Information Act or something should get us some info.

Once again I apologize for goofing on anybody ... I'm mad as hell now.

[bill41]

The casst site is owned by the Canadian Cable association....or in other words...mostley Rogers inc. and all the little guys....this is why you hear the radio ads on only certain stations...Rogers owned! Free advertising for them on the most part...I believe the days of the cable guy are getting numbered especially with the advent of wireless internet.....the death knell will toll if and when the grey market becomes available to us again which it should rightfully be!

[bill41]

Here is my second letter to these people...doubt that I will get a reply....

I had e-mailed you about a month ago as a concerned c-band dish owner and you have not replied back, which tells me you really don't care about Canadians concerns and only about the large monopolies that you are representing. It sounds like this is funded by the liberal government...which would be just another waste of taxpayers dollars as they so often have done so.
I think you are actually fighting the wrong people....why are your associates not going after the government to get rid of the draconian rule that the CRTC implements and open the market up to all programming....give the people what they want and stop trying to hide behind the cultural issue....television programming should not have to be supported by tax dollars, if it is any good it will survive on it's own...the crap will die off and it will be no great loss and the money saved in tax dollars can be routed into better issues such as national healthcare! Thank you!

[Latinos]

everybody should send copy of their e-mail to the crtc and the PM so they will know the people position (US)on their next meeeting.

[bill41]

Still waiting....what a joke...must be ex-gun registry people!:R

[unkotom]

they wont answer -the -----s only care when they get money. and bell and rogers put in plenty of money cause they make a fortune. they could give a ---- about what this is about or rights

unkotom

[thp123]

Originally posted by bill41
Still waiting....what a joke...must be ex-gun registry people!:R

LOL
they probably wait for the $1 billion before answer
:mad: