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FrostedGlass
November 28th, 2002, 12:38 PM
Quebecor complains of satellite piracy

By BERTRAND MAROTTE

Thursday, November 28, 2002 – Print Edition, Page B2

MONTREAL -- Quebecor Media Inc. is complaining to the federal broadcast regulator about rival BCE Inc.'s satellite television provider, citing a survey it commissioned that estimated about 19 per cent of Bell ExpressVu LP's satellite dish owners in Quebec are pirating the service.

In a letter being sent to the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, Quebecor Media says Bell ExpressVu is not doing enough to combat the pirating of its signals.

It cites a recent survey conducted by Léger Marketing for Quebecor Media that estimates there are 105,000 pirated satellite systems in use in Quebec and that 55 per cent -- or 57,750 -- are Bell ExpressVu dishes, about 19 per cent of the total Bell ExpressVu systems in the province.

Black-market consumers use smart cards or decoders to steal satellite TV signals without paying a subscription fee.

Quebecor Media, a unit of Montreal-based Quebecor Inc., says in the letter that it is also providing the CRTC with proof of the extent of the problem and Bell ExpressVu's alleged unwillingness to correct it.

It refers to clandestine videotapes that it alleges show Bell ExpressVu dealers in Quebec indicating to buyers what Internet sites they can visit to get access to "smart cards" to hack into the system and receive the signals illegally.

Bernard Courtois, executive counsel to BCE and subsidiary Bell Canada, said yesterday he cannot comment directly on details of the survey until he sees them. But he said Bell ExpressVu "is very interested in reducing pirating of its service."

He added that pirating of U.S. services via illegal receivers, as well as cable pirating, are greater problems than the theft of Canadian satellite signals.

Domestic satellite signal pirating is a "much smaller problem," he said.

Quebecor Media claims in the letter that only about 1.5 per cent of homes receiving the signal from its cable unit, Vidéotron Ltée, are getting it illegally.

But Mr. Courtois countered that the number for pirating of Vidéotron's services is at least 3 per cent, if not higher.

Quebecor Media also says in the letter that it conducted a representative Quebec-wide survey in October of 1,000 houses with Bell ExpressVu dishes and asked Bell ExpressVu to disclose what percentage of those are registered customers.

Any discrepancies between the two would be a good indicator of how many users are pirating signals, the letter says.

But Quebecor Media claims Bell ExpressVu has yet to respond to the request.

Mr. Courtois said the method proposed is too crude and unreliable.

gunsmoke2
November 28th, 2002, 01:16 PM
He added that pirating of U.S. services via illegal receivers, as well as cable pirating, are greater problems than the theft of Canadian satellite signals.

Domestic satellite signal pirating is a "much smaller problem," he said.


LOL

:R


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Dean_M_Love
November 28th, 2002, 01:24 PM
...wonder if Bell will also file a suit against NDS, who facilitated the ExpressVu hack, indirectly, by Tarnovsky's Echo dump...

Mustang5ohhh
November 28th, 2002, 01:57 PM
Mr. Peladeau of Quebecor should worry about his own legal battles with the unions that work for Videotron. The only reason Bell ExpressPuke has a fast growing subscription rate in Quebec is due to the fact that Videotrons OWN unionized employees are cutting cable lines all over the province as a pressure tactic for new labor contracts. And for Videotron to claim that that 1.5% of its cable customers are receiving the signal illegaly is a farce. I would guesstimate it at around the 20% level.

Mr. Peladeau, fix the problems in your own backyard first before looking over the fence into others.

DoctorNik
November 28th, 2002, 07:49 PM
Quebecor Media also says in the letter that it conducted a representative Quebec-wide survey in October of 1,000 houses with Bell ExpressVu dishes and asked Bell ExpressVu to disclose what percentage of those are registered customers.

Any discrepancies between the two would be a good indicator of how many users are pirating signals, the letter says.


what grade school mentallity is this??
wouldn't one think that most if not all are registered subscribers,, and quite possibly a good number are also 'pirating'?? Does Quebecor Media really think that all those pirating are not subscribing??

To The Real King!!
November 29th, 2002, 11:25 AM
Hi Guys,

Mr. Peladeau is also quite wrong if he thinks that only 19% of people who own BEV dishes are hacked. I think he recognizes that many of the hacked dishes are NOT SUBSCRIBERS.

I have seen many ECHOSTAR systems that are receiving BEV, not Echostar programming. These people are NOT BEV subscribers but because they want French programming they turn these dishes towards the BEV satellite.

A friend of mine in Montreal did a survey on his street which is in a development and probably only 3 blocks log. There are 4 DSS receivers and 11 Bev units and 2 Echo. 2 DSS users Sub and 2 use Black Market cards. Of the Echo 1 subs to echo and the other hack 's BEV. Of the 11 BEV units 2 are full subs (subs only) only while 8 hack. Of the 8 only 2 have no subs while the rest have small packages.

2 of these people have BOTH have DSS and BEV which makes 15 dishes on 13 homes. The DSS are hacked while the BEV's are subbed, presumably to have some stuff when the DSS is down.

So I believe that the number of BEV units hacked in this province is MUCH higher than the 19% claimed here.

It would appear to be over 50% but it seems they do not do much to stop it, preferring instead to stop their American competitors hacking or grey market vending as their lawyer Bill McKenzie deals MUCH more frequently with DSS vendors in the courts than BEV vendors.

This would NOT be the first time that HACKED units are used to gain market share and that the vendor does not mind piracy in that phase of their business. Once they have clearly and permanently WON the battle for market share and have a viable business, then they go after the hackers as much as is possible.
But its my opinion that when this number reaches 33% of the entire market for one distributor as hacked, its virtually impossible to get back control. Especially in outlying areas in the country.

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