Dtv battle with one dealer

[Timewilltell]

I usually do not post - Just like to read the forums but this is a good story.


Little History first.
For those of you who are fairly new to the game, There used to be a site a long time ago called Dss-Stuff.com it was ran by a guy named Aj. During the fullfillment Plus raids it he got swept up in the suit.
So he shut down this site and became a good friend to many of the Canadians and major site owners.

Here is his story.

After shutting down Dss-Stuff, he was friends with a group out of Canada called the C.S.E.G (Canadian Sat Experiment Group) This group is still around and operates most of the major hardware Sites out there today. Aj was served on Nov 28 and has quit dealing in this industry. I know he is around and has been spoted on some old message boards and via email.

I recently ran into a roomate of mine from College who is working in the LA federal court building for a Judge Carter. He filled me in on the soga that is going on between DTV and Aj

The facts - Feel free to visit the legal research sites to verify.

IT SEEMS WE FINALLY HAVE A DEALER THAT IS NOT A PUSSY AND DEFENDING HIMSELF. HOW DID THIS SLIP UNDER THE RADAR.

Dtv and Aj are going to court in June, the first and only hardware dealer to go to court. (Seems there was a continuance due to a birth in his family) or it would have gone to court this month. Aj has never released any information about any customer, dealer or friend, this is making DTV very mad! With some inside information I was able to get his cell phone number and I gave him a call.

Here is his story

Been a long fought battle, I (Aj) have stood by my decision to not set up other dealers, Example: Steven Hutt (Access-Cards, Dsswhiz) set up a group of dealers including Aj. I have heard this before, would not want to be Steve Hutt! No customer information was every seized or given to DTV by Aj.
Aj hired a lawyer out of California by the name of Jay Cogan. he has managed to stop of all DTV's efforts to force a Default or settlement. This is good news for the industry. There defense was simple, let them run the gammit and then when it comes to the last part of the legal proccess "FOCUS on DAMAGES" - There was a Summary Judgement passed by the judge on liability to Aj so he will not get his chance to defend Liability. Seems real fishy but DTV must have some power. He has spent 350,000 +/- defeding himself in this case. DTV case is powered by a Lawyer named Scott Wilsdon, heard from many defendents this guy is slime, plays under the table. But what goes around comes around. In the trial Aj and his legal team will bring out two witness's. Two former DTV employees who have documents and proof that Dtv is going after hackers for the media attention. They also will be able to testify about meetings they were involved in with NDS security engineers. One former Dtv employee was responsible for accounting software management. Seems this is going to bring a ton of ghosts out of the closets. DTV has some major issues to get over. These documents are in the hands of Jay Cogan and have a ton of Ghosts in them. What better to have then a former I.T guy who loved to back up emails and documents. I have been promised that they will be released to Milez on this site as soon as legally possible. Once they are evidence and presented in court they can be released to the public. The real funny thing is he is being accused or running all kinds of sites. The real owners were cool eneogh to send in signed and notorized affidavidts clearly him of these facts. "This was quoted by Jay Cogan"

JayCogan gave me some facts, but would not go into much details - I hope I got them correct.
1. How can they DTV receive settlements from other dealers and then go after damages for the same products.? Double Dipping DTV

2. They are involved in settling with end users via a letter campain? Douple damages DTV?

3. Can they prove with facts and numbers a figure of how they were damaged? No nearly impossible.

So why does he Aj continue this fight? Simple he has no choice. As a person of pride he will not give out any information or sqeel like most of the other dealers. He is the last person standing on the white Viper lawsuit. My hat goes off to him. Aj stated that DTV has played some nasty dirty pool, this should be good to here all this in time.

I am making this public for a few reasons and we can help.

1. Lets dig deeper and get some more facts. Key word is facts, not rumors and such. Aj was a little sketchy on some things, but said "Go for it"

2. Aj has been working a deal with Court TV, they are on the line as to whether to tape this trial or not? Everbody take a moment and send court TV a email Stating the following.
Dear Court Tv
Please take a minute to consider covering the trial of Aj under judge carter in the los Angelos federal court system. Please contact Lawyer Jay Cogan for more information. The case and docet is Under Derrik Trone , White Viper vs DTV

3. Lets track down Steven Hutt any information on where he lives and such would be appreciated.

4. Scott Wilsdon is the lawyer for DTV any information about his legal or proffesional weakness's please report in. Do not take pictures of him or cross any legal lines! Heard he is loves to run up his billable hours and has been sued by former clients for such behavior? Somebody find the case numbers, He surely runs them up on Aj I am sure with all the great hackers out there we could get some dirt/weak points on him. Aj is already aware about his divorce and recent new marriage, and feels this is his personal business! so stay out of his personal life, even though it appears Scott Wilsdon has gone after Aj's wife and kids, but two wrongs don't make a right and Aj made this point crystal clear.


So this is just some of the facts of the case, togethor we can get some reporters and Court Tv to cover this story.

looking for more information so dig dig dig
PLEASE SPREAD THIS TO OTHER MESSAGE BOARDS

[huseless]

After searching your previous posts, I think I would hold off spreading your words anywhere. You should visit legal-rights.org and get up to speed on all the stuff you have missed.

[Midnite_13]

I was under the impression that when Dss_Stuff was busted that AJ just moved on and opened up Dss_Island. There was also speculation as to how Dss_island operated openly in the US and was a major supplier of hardware yet went untouched for a very long time. Rumour was that it was an FBI sting ?

[RG5151]

Aj didn't own or operate DSS-island. It was run by some other guys, Aj just may have helped them get going and such. When Aj got out of the hobby the island didn't last much longer because the guys that were running it (supposedly from the Cayman Islands)didn't know much about what they were doing and lost interest and closed it down right about at the time there was that hurricane that went right through the Cayman islands. They had already quit selling hardware several months before that. It definately was not a FBI sting nor was it ever run by DTV.. If it was it wasn't a very successful one because not ONE dss-island member got stung... Lot's of rumors went around when it shut down. But the answer is just the owners (NONE of which were Aj) weren't making any money and lost interest and figured it just wasn't worth the hassle and the risk anymore.. That's it.. A lot of places closed down before the islands, about the same time as the islands and several have closed since the islands. Some had too and some chose to due to several different reasons, but mostly because of the heat.

I certainly would not say it was a "major supplier of hardware that operated in the US for a long time untouched" as the island was only around for about a year and only sold hardware for MAYBE 6 months of that time.. Aj was operating Dss-Stuff at the end of May 2001 when fullfillment plus was raided and Dss-Island came about some time after that and it has been closed since at least September 2002. I can't say for sure but they were supposedly in the Cayman islands and had Cayman island addresses, etc..

I'm not saying Timewilltell's post is true or not, but it very well could be... I know it's been mentioned before that Aj DSS-Stuff has never been listed as one of the sites that settled with DTV. This can be proved by the public court docs or lack there of as all the other sites that were busted made deals and the court records show they settled. I'm sure a lot of the other info can be checked out as well through a public docs search..

If it's true then my hats off to Aj for the tough fight he's had to go through and he's got to have some HUGE brass private parts...

[crzywhtboy]

My question is what is he fighting to keep private? The customer records were gotten in the fulfilment raid (friend has letters to prove it) so how is he fighting for the community?

I'm not trying to be an ass and I appreciate the principle of it, but I don't understand


crzy

[tcan]

“Two former DTV employees who have documents and proof that Dtv is going after hackers for the media attention. They also will be able to testify about meetings they were involved in with NDS security engineers”

Why use former Employees?. I would suggest that a “honest” executive, under oath, has more useful information.

The name Steve O#####, (AKA “Burbank Flat Line”) has a reputation of both honesty & of keeping meticulous records.

In the infamous words of Attila the Hun; “ Prisoners?.. What Prisoners “

[Timewilltell]

This is the information that I have and can release,
One thing for sure RG you are not new to this game and post with relative, good, information - You are not really green to these Dss forum and answer every post with "Scam, FBI, DAVE "

thank you!

All I am asking is that we dig up relative information. Legal Rights has nothing on the current case status of Aj and Dss-Stuff.

DO NOT START THE BULL---- RUMORS OF FBI AND SUCH! The clear fact was this Nobody got any letter from the islands! It was not a FBI sting.

Get related helpful information - Email his lawyer with good information. Thank you for Steves Address and phone number it will be used very wisely!

jmc@cogganlaw.com

-This post was done to help us all, not to start the bull----.
How many of you took the time to email court TV? DssTest** members slammed the court tv people. How many of you looked at the court records? How many attorneys out there can help with motions and ideas? Do you realize if this does go to court next month and he wins a small damage settlement?

[huseless]

I guess we shall see sooner or later.
BTW Jay Coggan was one of the lawyers in the Vectortech/Whiteviper case and we all know how they turned out.Many people have letters to prove it.
Since Steven Hutt was in that case also I expect Jay should know everything about him.

[Timewilltell]

Yes Aj is under the Original White Viper case!

Jay Cogan had nothing to do with Vector or Viper. Aj is the only defendant he represented!
Once again a half guess post that makes zero sense!

There was 49 defendants under the orignal Derrek Trone (White Viper) case!

Valid info only please

[RG5151]

Timewilltell... LOL... You are right I've been hanging out at the dss forums for awhile. I've met a lot of cool friends with rayzor sharp minds and some dummy's too, but I was really green once myself so I know what it's like..

Now back to the subject and in answer to this:
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QUOTE: "My question is what is he fighting to keep private? The customer records were gotten in the fulfilment raid (friend has letters to prove it) so how is he fighting for the community?

I'm not trying to be an ass and I appreciate the principle of it, but I don't understand ... END QUOTE_________________________


The customer records that were confiscated at fullfillment plus were just recent shipping records (and transaction records), which anyone should know if you ship UPS and FEDEX, cannot be destroyed, they will always exist at the shipping companys themselves. All shipping records from any dealer/company that uses any shipping company (UPS or FEDEX) can be traced at any time. UPS and FEDEX could open their records to DTV or the FBI and probably do all the time. It would not require a court order if they did so willingly and why wouldn't they? It wouldn't be any conflict of interest or invasion of your privacy. THey are their records and they can show them to whomever they want. The DMV until recently would give anyone your home address if you gave them their Driver license number or license plate of a vehicle. Now because they have had a celebrity stabbed and stalked they have a little different policy, but still the police have access to it at any time and they don't need a court order or anything to get it. Even companies that have not been busted or raided can have their shipping records looked into without their knowledge. All DTV has to have is the name of the company and just ask UPS and FEDEX for all shipping records from that company. Then with names and addresses in hand all they have to do is contact paypal or creditcard companies and they'll roll over on anybody.. Voila, DTV can now have a shipping record and invoice and the company you purchased from wasn't even busted..

Any records from fullfillment plus in regards to DSS-STuff were only for current shipments, probably within 30 days. Records have to be kept at least for a while, for returns, etc., but all records are/were destroyed AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Fullfillment plus was just the warehouse where orders were filled and shipped so the other records of other customer transactions and customer lists and older transactions would not have been there. So yes if you had purchased something in April or May of 2001 (just before the raid)the records of your transaction could very well have been there. BUT as far as what else to protect.. LOTS.. All the records of customers older than 30 or 60 days, all the other records, IP's etc. of the customers that didn't purchase anything, or that paid cash, etc. All the records and info and passwords and names and handles, etc, etc. of a lot of people..

[barkleyj]

UPS and Fed Ex has a record of shipping and they do give these to DTV. What UPS and Fed Ex can't provide them with is what "product was in each individual package shipped.

[RG5151]

Originally posted by barkleyj
UPS and Fed Ex has a record of shipping and they do give these to DTV. What UPS and Fed Ex can't provide them with is what "product was in each individual package shipped.

That's where this comes in:

[QUOTE]Then with names and addresses in hand all they have to do is contact paypal or creditcard companies and they'll roll over on anybody.. Voila, DTV can now have a shipping record and invoice and the company you purchased from wasn't even busted. [QUOTE]

We all know for a fact paypal has rolled over numberous times. They even froze accounts WITHOUT the involvement or request of DTV. It wouldn't take anything at all for DTV to contact credit card companies and say: "give me all the transaction records you have from "dssjohndoe" then match them up with the shipping addresses. And Voila, invoice... From what I've heard any invoices they do have are NOT original invoices or even copies of invoices, but made up invoices. So they made up their own info and invoices from info gathered from shipping records and credit card receipts. As a matter of fact more than one person has said when they contacted DTV lawyers they didn't say they had any invoice records they said they had "shipping records and a credit card receipt"....

So the safest way to purchase anything (including software or paying for membership on sites) is to pay by cash or money order and if you have something shipped, ship by good ol USPS (post office) - NO traceablility... either to or from, unless you request it.

[RG5151]

Their case is very weak.. As a matter of fact they really don't have a case, but they don't care because that's not the issue, they want people to settle and they are banking on the fact that MOST people will settle rather than take the time and spend the money to fight it.

Most of the credit card reciepts are gonna give at least some info on what was purchased and of course the amount. As well as DTV has all the site ads and info on their hardware, this is part of their evidence against you, so they have a reciept for 1 something for $75 each. They go to the site info they have and say ok a bootloader sold for that and now they tell the people that they have a credit card receipt or invoice that you purchased a bootloader. The credit card purchase turned in to the credit card company can say:

1 boot $75,

but that's not what DTV is going to tell you. AND it has already been proved in a couple of their cases against dealers that they fabricated invoices and records, so they certainly are not beyond that.

It of course is too late for past transactions, but for any future transactions again I express pay by CASH or Money Order and insist on Postal Service shipment and BEWARE of who you buy from..

[crzywhtboy]

The records I know of were from right after black sunday...during the bootloader craze...dtv knows what was purchased (a bootloader), how it was paid for, who it was to and the correct shipping addy.

In conversations, they claim to have purchase records as well as credit card receipts...time will tell if they really do, but that's quite a bit of info.

Could it be that they are aleady using the siezed documents?


crzy

[Timewilltell]

Get the point

They only have a shipping log of a package - They do not have your credit card records or any other emails or any other dealers ect!

Big deal you got a package from fullfillment plus?
Did you order it?
They dont have the online receipt or the verification!
They have a freakin spreadsheet that anyone can falsify information?


Do you think Aj called you and asked if you were really Jim Shoe?
People look at the picture and get back on the subject. relative information! Does anyone have relative info and please email Court Tv.


By the way Steve Hutt is responsible for over 3000,000 names on Dtv's hitlist of letters. He is the one who rolled and took you all down. This is what set this ball of information rolling - Him soley.

Ok this seems to be the place to debate topics, Not help resolve issues.

Rise Read this post, I am sure you can give a intelligent post that is back to the purpose.

The battle is DTV vs a Dealer - Not amoungst ourselves.

Aggrevatiated and pissed

[crzywhtboy]

Like I said, not trying to be an ass...if what you say is true, I feel alot better. I referred him to dss-stuff so I kinda feel responsible.

It wouldn't suprise me if the dtv attorneys are lying, but the only way to find out is to push it...he still can and in light of what you are saying, I'll advise him to do just that

Back to the topic at hand

Thanks for the info


crzy