Illegal or Not????

[DBLtrouble]

I sent 2 blank hu's to an individual from the US to Canada? Is this act illegal? Am I able to pursue legal means to recover them if they are not being returned to me?

DBL

[ALittleBirdie]

It is very much illegal. Hope they disappear never to be see from or heard from again. That would be the cheap way of learning from your mistakes.

[DBLtrouble]

If it's illegal>Then how do tons of people sell cards on EBay everyday w/o any problems?

DBL

[Itchy]

Originally posted by ALittleBirdie
It is very much illegal. Hope they disappear never to be see from or heard from again. That would be the cheap way of learning from your mistakes.

What are you talking about? What makes the sale (although that is not even specified) of a card to someone outside of the US, not even programmed, illegal.

DBL, I doubt you would be able to commence an action to recover them (in Civil proceedings at least), while technically you could, the cost of doing so would far outweigh the value of the cards.

[DBLtrouble]

Sorry for not being so specific...
What I am concentrating on is the "shipment of blank cards". I am assuming with the bulk of Ebay transactions, that their is then shipping involved. Since Ebay is such a firm supporter of staying within legal guidelines, I don't understand how then the sale of these cards is permissible when they know they are going to be shipped.

Is there a distinction of being shipped across the border that makes it illegal?

DBL

[Dane]

Like you Name says DBLtrouble, forget about them if they the cards got caught at the border consider it a small lesson...Forgetaboutthem!Dane

[gunsmoke2]

The law says if they have rise to believe it was going to be used to contrave the Radio Communication Act then its illegal.


However if they don't have rise to believe then its legal.If you are just an end user then very unlikely they will investigate and won't have rise to believe it was going to be used to contrave the Act.


That's for Canada but since it appears you are from the US Canadian law wouldn't pertain to you. However if something happens and you file a claim then you will be subject to US law and its not worth it.


GS2

[ALittleBirdie]

The law says if they have rise to believe it was going to be used to contrave the Radio Communication Act then its illegal.

If you're expecting them back, I don't think the assumption would be that you were sending them up to the "Great White North" for a ski vacation.

There might be nothing wrong with sending cards across the border...but if you're expecting them back it will be assumed that they were going to be used for something illegal.

The bottom line...despite what you think about the legality...it would be much much more trouble than its worth to try and get them back.

[thepoet]

If they were sent USPS, notify the United States Postmaster General. Expect quick action...

[DBLtrouble]

They were sent USPS-NO problem in getting there, just in the return. There was no programming done to the cards, but I understand the issue about "assumptions". Costly lesson learned.

what IS the secured preferred method of shipment these days?

DBL

[gunsmoke2]

If you're expecting them back, I don't think the assumption would be that you were sending them up to the "Great White North" for a ski vacation.

There might be nothing wrong with sending cards across the border...but if you're expecting them back it will be assumed that they were going to be used for something illegal.


Well they really can't assume they have to have rise to believe basically a reason. IMHO sending would not be a reason. They would have to investigate for a reason(s) to go to a JP ( Judge ) and get a search warrant.


If they come to your house for another reason and see hacking hardware and cards with a dish on your roof it would be a reason to believe as an example.


In any case Canadian law would not effect you as a US citizen. If they are sent back US Customs could seize it. They would send you a letter notifying you to put up a bond to contest it. You obviously ignore and do nothing.


GS2

[BuzzSawOne]

Hopefully not repeating an answer already posted. Buying cards on eBay is not a problem... Here's why...
I have a DBS system I have had in the attic for a couple years. I want to use it again, but crap, where is the card. Well, I have a good legit IRD, but no card. I do not want to pay for a new system, so I will find a card. eBay away!
Now, it is my understanding that they have to sell a receiver with the card, but will ship card only if you want to save on shipping. They still have to sell receiver with card (that is what a seller told me on eBay).....

Buzz