LOCALS and SPOTBEAM Technology

[md2020]

How about being able to get another spotbeam local on your local for a fee?
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I wanna watch the East Coast Locals in NYC but here i am in LA with sun tanned Cali- fornicators!
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must be Friday

[RD24601]

Don’t think you will be allowed to do that. It’s got to do with the advertising infringements. Businesses in your area pay to advertise on your cities local channels, expecting that people in that area would be viewing those channels. If you were allowed to get locals from another city, the advertisers from your city would, potentially, loose their audience, and even sales. Last I heard, if you lived in a city whose locals are not broadcast at all, you can’t subscribe to a neighboring city whose locals may be offered as long as you are in the transmission area and can pick up your locals with an antenna. If you succeed, let us know ‘cause I would like to subscribe to one of my neighboring cities. My locals are offered but only a sub set of them.

[SpeedTrap47]

The Satellite Home Viewers Improvement Act (SHVIA) was signed into law November 29, 1999. It modifies part of USC (United States Code) to allow local-into-local delivery, to set standards for distant local (unserved by a network) delivery, and superstation delivery.

Remove this law, and the applicable parts of the United States Code, and you remove local-into-local, distant local, and superstation delivery. That is, you no longer have broadcast stations on satellite.

It is copyright law that limits the delivery of broadcast stations. The SHVIA simply is an exception to copyright law, which narrowly defines what broadcast stations that subscribers may receive.

In order to get some kind of delivery of distant locals, a new law would need to be created to make an exception to copyright law. It would have to basically state that content broadcast over airwaves has no copyright protection.

[md2020]

But my question is.

The provider could actually offer to the consumer what ever locals they wanted, true?

If at an appropriate fee, which is agreeded upon by all parties.

I would think this avalibility would not only offer more services but also benefit all.

Using Spotbeam technology to isolate signals does protect these locals as you mentioned, but it would seem that there are other ways to achieve this same purpose.

Hey, me like many other would not mine paying for say LA or NYC feed....
especially if you are always saying to yourself....
"Toto I don't think we are in Kansas anymore" when in reality you are in KC Spotbeamn and locked into some twilight ZOne of Farm reports and Tornado watches......

md2020 not the whine
Fed. UC titles protect copyright inof yet is not the excuse for spotbeam >:) only the symthom

[RonD]

It has to do with Programming rights, DTV or Dish has NO SAY in it, if your local CBS has the rights to the program then you are not allowed to receive it from anywhere else, period, even if it DIFFERENT programming.
If you lived in an area that did not have a local CBS afilliate then you were fine to receive BOTH East and West coast CBS networks, these areas are few now. A fee wouldn't help in this case.
CBS is just the example it applies across the board to all networks.

Spot beams were put in-place because DTV could no longer offer regional Networks, they were banned from broadcasting them, so to compete with cable they needed to be able to put up 200+channels quickly, spot beams allowed locals to "share" the same frequency, so transponder 4 can have 40 locals channels but each spot beam to that local area only has those regional locals.

BUT if you "lived" in Canada which has no such restrictions on US networks, you could receive both East & West coast US networks.
Basic Canadian service which includes US networks goes for about $18/month, so about $14/month US$. You can look at expressvu or starchoice sites.
There are several companies that rent houses near the US border for your commuting convenience. Seems a long way to go just to get East Coast timezone but hey it's only money.

[md2020]

but this isnt fcc rule is it..
if local got a piece of the action and agrreeed on it it could be a reality right?
seems that would be markable...

[wyaden]

what if you called and told them you moved. Giving a zipcode that received the locals you wanted?

[shadough]

You would need to have a valid address, not just a zip code. In theory, you could do this, and just have a seperate billing address like a PO box. A service address and a billing address. But you'd hafta hope that whatever address you chose is not currently a dish/direct customer, and that the homeowner doesnt find out cuz they might step in and call dish/direct about it which could set off a chain reaction that could lead them to find you out and subsequently fine you.'

And then theres the issue of spotbeams. You'd need to pick a city that is either televised nationwide or 1 reletively close to your home so that your in range of that spotbeam. The only cities that are national are NY, LA, Atlanta & Chicago. Allthough allamericandirect.com also has San Francisco.

[dstath]

Where can I verify that the New York Dish networks channels (Dish numbers 8101,8103, 8105 etc) are still on the Conus beam and did not change to "spot beam"? And on which satellite (119 or 110) are they on.

In addition I need to know on what satellite (119 or 110) are the AllAmerica Distant Networks from Atlanta and San Francisco?

I'm not getting much help from calling DishNetwork.

Thanks,
Don