Let he truth be known...

[Len Pickering]

http://www.invalidatr.com/vb2/upload/showthread.php?threadid=5474&perpage=15&pagenumber=16

[killerman]

I have been following this thread very closley. This is a must read for anyone that was a paying member at the Den. Risestar has not been telling you the hole truth, just the part he wanted you to hear.
Just for ----s and giggles, here is the thread that started it...
http://www.dsschat.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=154791&perpage=10&pagenumber=2
Good luck people.....Kilo...

[jheron]

What the fu#k are guy's going on about? Tell me what rise has'nt told us??
jerk offs!

[DoctorNik]

maybe if you'd read the threads mentioned, you would find out..
but in short, what Rise didn't mention, for whatever reasons,, (could have assumed everyone knew)..

a copy of the database (not just to 'have a look at', but to use as they see fit

'some' hard copies of members information,, including CC#'s and real/username

'some' electronic copies of members information,, including the same info as above

various emails, both to and from from his personal computer


I'd say,, that was quite abit of stuff that wasn't told earlier,, when it was just mentioned that DTV won a review of the database.

Again, this is all from Risestar's posts in the first thread mentioned if you care to check it out.

Merry Christmas!!

[slimboy]

Wow you call everyone here jerkoffs without reading first. Talk about blind allegiance:R

[jheron]

First off I did read the entire thread.
What do you think it meant when rise said that dtv got to see the DB??
When rise told us that dtv got to look at the DB I assumed that dtv was allowed to do what they liked with the information. Why would the court's allow dtv to look at the DB and do nothing with the info gained? Does that make any logical sense?? I think not.
Rise came clean and told us what went down without going into great detail, which I cant blame him for considering what he had just gone through. What does the info gained in the "Let he truth be known.." accomplish? How can this info benefit anyone??
IMO Rise told the truth and I have yet to see any evidence that proves otherwise.
Regards jheron

[RiseStar]

Yes, theres a lot of BS going on at that other site for sure.

A lot of people ordered a hardware device and got caught and are now trying to pass the blame onto others instead of where it should be going (On themselves).

Details of membership transactions here prove only that you joined a website, nothing more. Perhaps if they catch you buying a Hu loader and also see you joined here, then you may have a problem, but it was the device purchase, not your involvement here that caused that problem.

Buying illegal devices in the USA have concequences, I have always said that and people that bought them anyways knew that and did it anyways, so if you get caught up in end user litigation, then remember it was your decision.

[mouse01]

i would pay none of them any mind if i were you. in america it is the current trend to blame everybody else but ones self. the fact of the matter is these people felt that some how you should have guaranteed their safety for their illegal activities. when a person choses to do something that is questionable to illegal they should know what they are getting into. they should know that what they are doing is against the law and should take whatever precautions they need to to make sure they are safe. remember "ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law". if you break the law then you are guilty. do not rely on someone esle to make sure you are within the law. you are responsible for your own actions. will you children grow up and take responsability for your own actions? rise lost the battle and that means that some things were lost with that. in this case expect the worst and protect yourself from anything that may come up later. he fought and he lost the battle. he has not lost the war just yet. the war is being lost by those who chose to hand over everything without so much as a single objection.

[DoctorNik]

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you people are so narrowminded,, you can't see the forest for the trees...

I will say this,,
ALL THAT WAS ASKED was what did DTV get, so that the guilty might better prepare a defence if they so wish, without being blind sided by surprise information (ie: the email confirming username, CC#, realname and email addy)..

anything else has been read into it by YOU (and yes, a couple of hot heads at that site)..

mouse1,, NO ONE has argue guilt or innocence,, NO ONE has denied that risestar fought, and unfortunately lost,, NO is disputing those claims. Yes,, there are a couple delusional characters which have expressed those thoughts,, they are not the majority.

Again,, all anyone asked was WHAT WAS DTV ABLE TO GET SO THAT THE GUILTY MIGHT BETTER PREPARE THEIR DEFENCE.

is that too much to ask??

Please don't read anything more into it than need be...

Merry Christmas!!

[mouse01]

if he has not answered the question directly could it be that he is restricted form doing so? to him it should not matter anymore because it is over and done with. if you are worried about defending yourself against directv and want to know what they got from here that they may bring up later against you then you should prepare for the worse. if you always prepare for the worse you will have a better chance. in this case you should assume that they got everything. everything would be cc# if you used one, paypal info if that is how you paid, mailing addy if you used paypal, copies of every word you may have ever typed on this board, and whatever else they could have gotten. none of the above shows signal theft anyway so you should still be able to beat that wrap. the members of sites that turned over everything and signed affidavids are still gettign their cases dropped so i don't see how the info from this site can be any worse.

come to think of it can they even use information they obtain in canada against you here in the US? what i typed while in canada is subject to canadian laws. canadian laws says i can pretty much say whatever i want. would i not have to be tried in canada for breaking their laws if that were the case? ok i am done for now.

[DoctorNik]

if he has not answered the question directly could it be that he is restricted form doing so? he was asked numerous times,, and skirted the answers.. if he was restricted, everyone would have accepted that as an answer, again, no one was accusing him of 'selling' out etc., they just wanted an honest answer. Eventually, they got one. in this case you should assume that they got everything. everything would be cc# if you used one, paypal info if that is how you paid, mailing addy if you used paypal, copies of every word you may have ever typed on this board, and whatever else they could have gotten
they do now. It actually started when a member there complained that someone was presented with an email record with all the personal details regarding membership here. Risestar was at first accused of co-op'ing with DTV, standard knee-jerk reaction in such a case. It was then determined that DTV was awarded much more than the database,, and a simple question was asked,,, just what did they get so people might better be able to prepare. Yes, I agree, people should prepare for the worst, but, many were (wrongly or rightly) under the impression that all dtv got was the database, so, it was a bit of shock when this stuff turned up in a case. All that was asked was that he honestly answer what they got. It's no fault of Rise's if the courts went against reason and awarded dtv much more in evidence. That was stated many times.

the members of sites that turned over everything and signed affidavids are still gettign their cases dropped so i don't see how the info from this site can be any worse. This is true, but at least those people KNEW what to expect,, here,, no one was really sure,, one could assume,, but,, we all know that joke huh??

come to think of it can they even use information they obtain in canada against you here in the US? what i typed while in canada is subject to canadian laws. canadian laws says i can pretty much say whatever i want. would i not have to be tried in canada for breaking their laws if that were the case? ok i am done for now.

I don't know,, what I do know, is that the awarded evidence was used against an end user. Whether or not they could legally I guess is fightable,, but,,it's obvious that they did in this instance at least. I imagine if they used it with that one, they wouldn't hesitate to use it in future.

Merry Christmas!!

[mouse01]

directv will use whatever they can get away with. the court system will allow anything unless the defendant objects to it. in a civil case i would have to say what you did in another country can not be prosecuted here. in a federal case they can probably get away with using that information but this is only civil.

[megados]

This has been hashed over and over. Yes they did get to peruse the database, yes the IPs were zeroed sometime arund June 2003. That has been stated over and over. I guess I'm having trouble discerning where the "beef" is. Up until recently, Rise has beed barred from talking about it. He has since stated this same thing.

The trouble begins for the people who did a lot of posting about "Hey I'm watchin porn after having done this and that . . . ". Also those who can be connected rather currently through hardware purchase correllations, and other incriminating stuff, etc. Membership to a site in itself isn't a crime.

[DoctorNik]

no offence intended,, but again,, this isn't just about 'getting' to peruse the database,, it isn't just about what was posted and IP's.. heck,, they don't need IP's when they have your username and email and CC# all connected to ONE transaction do they?? There is a difference between getting to peruse the database, and having a full copy of the database to do anything you want with (in many peoples opinion), let's not minimize that please, that's partly where the problem started,, just a miscommunication and misunderstand by many about a minor thing,, but then, that's all it takes.


risestar


Registered: Dec 2001
Location:
Posts: 61
Points: 260
Fordruid, the answer to your question is along the same identical lines as you already know.

1) Copy of forum DB
2) Website HTML files
3) Some membership details in electronic format
4) Some membership details in paper format
5) A number of emails from my inbox on my computer.

All else is irrelavent to end users



as you can see, it was MUCH more than a copy of the database,, and as I said, it's all about letting the members of PD,, especially the Private members, have a heads up as to just what might they may be presented with. Is it so wrong to give your members a little heads up?

[RiseStar]

DoctorNic, I am beginning to wonder on your motivations on this issue.

Nothing is wrong with giving people a little heads up, however you and a couple others from over there handled it in such a manner as though there was a big coverup or that I was not being honest.

There is no evidence of that whatsoever, I have been completely honest and frank with everyone right from day 1. Perhaps you wanted more information than the amount that was disclosed, however you handled it in an improper manner, throwing around wild accusations and innuendo when none of that was necessary

[DoctorNik]

not to belabour a point Risestar,,
please show me here, where I threw around wild innuendo and accusations,,, in fact,, you'll instead find such wild accusations as:

no one was accusing him of 'selling' out etc., they just wanted an honest answer. Eventually, they got one. Risestar was at first accused of co-op'ing with DTV, standard knee-jerk reaction in such a case. It was then determined that DTV was awarded much more than the database,, and a simple question was asked,,, All that was asked was that he honestly answer what they got. It's no fault of Rise's if the courts went against reason and awarded dtv much more in evidence. That was stated many times. mouse1,, NO ONE has argue guilt or innocence,, NO ONE has denied that risestar fought, and unfortunately lost,, NO is disputing those claims. Yes,, there are a couple delusional characters which have expressed those thoughts,, they are not the majority. but in short, what Rise didn't mention, for whatever reasons,, (could have assumed everyone knew)..
I'm sorry if you feel the above statements are accusatory,, ????

you'll find much the same at the other site,, with exception of the post where you demonstrated an unhealthy attitude of self-importance. When you did answer the questions everyone was asking,, I was also one of the first to thank you. Innuendo was starting to be bantered around when you seemingly refused to answer the question asked. You say 'we' went around it the wrong way,,, I'm sorry,, I thought asking was the right way to do it.

I don't see any conspiracy here,, I see miscommunications,, misunderstandings and some ego.. if you see something else,, I'm afraid it's your own conscience speaking...

[mouse01]

i read the thread that you speak of doctornik. the problem is one person asked a question and before anyone had a chance to answer there were 10 other space fillers who called him every lowlife name in the book. i would have been pissed off too. he feels he has answered the questions as best as he could. you feel he has not. ask your exact question that has yet to be answered. i highly doubt rise has anything to hide since he gave it his best effort in court. if the question is not answered then there may be a legal reason that is preventing him from answering your question to your satisfaction. i could see how that could be the case as directv would want to use that info as a surprise wildcard at the last minute to try to force settlements instead of simply dropping their case. oh well i am not rise and all i am doing is speculating so i am going to go read read read a little bit today.

[ed12]

i also read that thread
back and forth
the olny Q rise did not answer is the ammount of names
that dave got..., now with that in hand
how in the hell is he to know...mod/adm or not how?
the problem i c here is that some one got caught with there
hand in the cookie jar
and are now having to answer to it
as i know first hand what dtv/dish/bev will do
and what they will take,i commend :rise: and not slay him...
when these ppl get there mind around the fact
it cost thouands of dollars not hundereds
to portect/recover from,maybe 1 day they will
get the real picture
till then u might as well piss in the wind
cause the out come is the same
rise did what he had to do
its that dam simple

regards
ed:)

p.s side note here
WE WERE ALL WARRNED

[hupopper]

The point is we all knew what we were doing, posted, talked about ect.. Rise did what he could thats a hell of alot more than other sites have done at least he gave them a fight. If people want to be pissed off oh well life goes on Deal with it. it happened, it's done, nothing can be done to reverse it. So they got a copy of the db big deal not a crime to post in a forum, Dave wants to know who I am F*ck em I don't care! come on over Larry I'll give ya a beer search my house what ever. So stop whining about if dave got your info you don't think he had it before? If your one of the big dogs he might but if not he's not going to look twice...

my .02