NASCAR race today on FOX

[Coyote]

had a least three ads from Radio Shack with a fathers day offer of the
Sirius Replay
for $59.99 after $20 rebate run during the race.
The Radio shack web site also has the sirius S1 at $29.99 which includes
the remote.

http://www.radioshack.com/home/index.jsp

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

Sirius is spending big bucks now. SACs are going to reflect it.

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> Sirius is spending big bucks now. SACs are going to reflect it.

People still have to pay up some sort of money to Sirius. If they
didn't want Sirius, they'd not pay any amount.

However, XM's free radio giveaways in Q4 certainly did their SAC in. I
wonder if they're going to give an acre in Wyoming to go with it this
year. It can be their "Giving away the farm times two" promotion.

--D

[Coyote]

"All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone" <DeadShrimp@NOMail.com> wrote in message
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> Sirius is spending big bucks now. SACs are going to reflect it.
>
>
>

Over the last two weeks I have seen several XM ads on speed channel.. Seems
to me
a waste of mony for XM to advertise at Nascar events on speed channel when
NASCAR will be missing on XM next year as Sirius will be the exclusive
satellite radio outlet for Nascar.

Frontmed, you should really watch the Nascar Truck races on speed channel.
Several
Toyotas display the (((XM))) Logo on the rear fenders and XM runs ads during
the races. I suspect you would say all the money XM is spending at Nascar
events this year is not a waste of money even when XM radios will be in
short supply over the next few months.

The Nascar Truck races does not have near the fans the Cup cars have. When
you view the stands during a truck race you will see the stands quite empty.
The TV audience may also reflect low numbers when compared to the cup races.

Then there is the Nascar Busch series. Several of these races are aired on
FX. Seems to me
XM has had ads run at the Busch series races on Fox, Fx or speed channel
this year.

[Dr. Droo]

Coyote wrote:
> Over the last two weeks I have seen several XM ads on speed channel.. Seems
> to me
> a waste of mony for XM to advertise at Nascar events on speed channel when
> NASCAR will be missing on XM next year as Sirius will be the exclusive
> satellite radio outlet for Nascar.

Frontmed is going to do some spiel that since XM has Dale Jr and Jimmie
Johnson then they have the best of Nascar anyway and Sirius is just
getting table scraps.

I'd rather have Tony Stewart on the radio any day really. He's a riot
when he's over on Bubba's show.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

>
> People still have to pay up some sort of money to Sirius. If they
> didn't want Sirius, they'd not pay any amount.

> However, XM's free radio giveaways in Q4 certainly did their SAC in. I
> wonder if they're going to give an acre in Wyoming to go with it this
> year. It can be their "Giving away the farm times two" promotion.
>

The truth is that Sirius has a much more extended history of giving away
hardware than XM does. In fact, there has been precisely one quarter in
which XM deeply discounted hardware, Q4'05. Never before have they done so,
even when Sirius was dropping receivers from helicopters.

I recommend you compare the retained earnings deficits for the two companies
if you're wanting to get a handle on which has been more responsible in its
spending.

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

>
> Over the last two weeks I have seen several XM ads on speed channel..
> Seems to me
> a waste of mony for XM to advertise at Nascar events on speed channel when
> NASCAR will be missing on XM next year as Sirius will be the exclusive
> satellite radio outlet for Nascar.
>

XM has not ceded NASCAR to Sirius. While Sirius overpaid for it, XM decided
it made more sense to go after key personalities (Jr. and Johnson). Many
NASCAR followers will have a difficult decision to make: Do they REALLY
care about LISTENING to the races? Or would they rather have the commentary
of their favorite drivers?

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> The truth is that Sirius has a much more extended history of giving away
> hardware than XM does. In fact, there has been precisely one quarter in
> which XM deeply discounted hardware, Q4'05. Never before have they done so,
> even when Sirius was dropping receivers from helicopters.

Where did Sirius give away a receiver without requiring anything back
from the customer?

Anything I've ever seen involved prepay or rebates.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

>
> I'd rather have Tony Stewart on the radio any day really. He's a riot
> when he's over on Bubba's show.
>

That's fine, but if you think Tony Stewart holds anywhere near the interest
of Little E you're nuts. Have you ever listened to him on O&A? He's a
great guest. And he's doing one hell of a job promoting XM when he gets a
chance. He's just about the only one at XM who actually SELLs the service.

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> That's fine, but if you think Tony Stewart holds anywhere near the interest
> of Little E you're nuts. Have you ever listened to him on O&A? He's a
> great guest. And he's doing one hell of a job promoting XM when he gets a
> chance. He's just about the only one at XM who actually SELLs the service.

There's many people at Sirius that go out to events on their own to
plug and sell Sirius. Bubba himself has done it on several occasions.


The problem with Little E is that he isn't Big E. It's really that
simple. If he were Big E then this'd be another story.

I can understand the Jimmie Johnson thing.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

"Dr. Droo" <drdroo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
>> The truth is that Sirius has a much more extended history of giving away
>> hardware than XM does. In fact, there has been precisely one quarter in
>> which XM deeply discounted hardware, Q4'05. Never before have they done
>> so,
>> even when Sirius was dropping receivers from helicopters.
>
> Where did Sirius give away a receiver without requiring anything back
> from the customer?
>
> Anything I've ever seen involved prepay or rebates.

As far as I'm aware, neither company has ever given away receivers without
any commitment, at least not in significant numbers. The term "given away"
is tossed around and generally taken to mean "heavily discounted".

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

>
> The problem with Little E is that he isn't Big E. It's really that
> simple. If he were Big E then this'd be another story.
>
> I can understand the Jimmie Johnson thing.


You do understand that Jr. is, by a very wide margin, the biggest single
draw in NASCAR, bringing in, by himself, over 1/3 of the revenue for ALL
drivers combined? Right?

[Coyote]

"All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone" <DeadShrimp@NOMail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dr. Droo" <drdroo@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150122405.555677.79870@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
>>> The truth is that Sirius has a much more extended history of giving away
>>> hardware than XM does. In fact, there has been precisely one quarter in
>>> which XM deeply discounted hardware, Q4'05. Never before have they done
>>> so,
>>> even when Sirius was dropping receivers from helicopters.
>>
>> Where did Sirius give away a receiver without requiring anything back
>> from the customer?
>>
>> Anything I've ever seen involved prepay or rebates.
>
> As far as I'm aware, neither company has ever given away receivers without
> any commitment, at least not in significant numbers. The term "given
> away" is tossed around and generally taken to mean "heavily discounted".
>


Hmmm as I recall buy a pair of dockers and receive a roady for free.
required a three month sub. but when some that took up the offer tried to
cancel the Xm subscription all they got was another 3 to 9 months of free
subscription service.

Three months service for around $39 got a free radio as well as many months
of FREE service.

[Dr. Droo]

Coyote wrote:
> Hmmm as I recall buy a pair of dockers and receive a roady for free.
> required a three month sub. but when some that took up the offer tried to
> cancel the Xm subscription all they got was another 3 to 9 months of free
> subscription service.

If I recall the Roady didn't require any subscription, it came with a
preactivated 3 months free and then they tried to convert you.

But yeah, friends of mine were billed for the additional time since
they didn't turn off the subscription at 3 months. The units were all
activated July 1st I think, and friends of mines subs went right up
through January.

--D

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> You do understand that Jr. is, by a very wide margin, the biggest single
> draw in NASCAR, bringing in, by himself, over 1/3 of the revenue for ALL
> drivers combined? Right?

Assuming your numbers are correct, it's largely because of who his
father is, not who he is. The guy hasn't even been in the Top 5 in
standings all season as far as I know. He's like #6 now, and he was #8
earlier in the season.

Like I said, I can understand Jimmie Johnson as a pick.

--D

[Coyote]

"Dr. Droo" <drdroo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Coyote wrote:
>> Hmmm as I recall buy a pair of dockers and receive a roady for free.
>> required a three month sub. but when some that took up the offer tried to
>> cancel the Xm subscription all they got was another 3 to 9 months of free
>> subscription service.
>
> If I recall the Roady didn't require any subscription, it came with a
> preactivated 3 months free and then they tried to convert you.
>
> But yeah, friends of mine were billed for the additional time since
> they didn't turn off the subscription at 3 months. The units were all
> activated July 1st I think, and friends of mines subs went right up
> through January.
>
> --D
>

I stand corrected...Thanks

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

> Hmmm as I recall buy a pair of dockers and receive a roady for free.
> required a three month sub. but when some that took up the offer tried to
> cancel the Xm subscription all they got was another 3 to 9 months of free
> subscription service.

This would be what we call a "fucking lie". As in, "It Never Happened".

You could get a Roady2 on the dockers promo w/ a 3 month sub. If you
canceled at that point, you canceled. While XM's retention department could
discount it going forward, you could not get another "3-9 months" free as
you have claimed.

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

> But yeah, friends of mine were billed for the additional time since
> they didn't turn off the subscription at 3 months. The units were all
> activated July 1st I think, and friends of mines subs went right up
> through January.

They didn't go through January. There were, however, some technical
problems that kept some of these receivers on longer than they were supposed
to. As XM became aware of this problem, these receivers were shut down.
There were very few of these receivers in circulation. And XM wasn't
"giving them away" (you may remember, this was a tie-in with Dockers).

As I said, XM has never given away receivers (as any kind of open policy)
without a commitment. And it is a pretty safe bet they won't be in the
future, either.

[Coyote]

"All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone" <DeadShrimp@NOMail.com> wrote in message
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>> Hmmm as I recall buy a pair of dockers and receive a roady for free.
>> required a three month sub. but when some that took up the offer tried to
>> cancel the Xm subscription all they got was another 3 to 9 months of free
>> subscription service.
>
> This would be what we call a "fucking lie". As in, "It Never Happened".
>
> You could get a Roady2 on the dockers promo w/ a 3 month sub. If you
> canceled at that point, you canceled. While XM's retention department
> could discount it going forward, you could not get another "3-9 months"
> free as you have claimed.
>
>

Seems to me Frontmed is lying again!

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

> Assuming your numbers are correct, it's largely because of who his
> father is, not who he is. The guy hasn't even been in the Top 5 in
> standings all season as far as I know. He's like #6 now, and he was #8
> earlier in the season.
>
> Like I said, I can understand Jimmie Johnson as a pick.


The point is, "Which NASCAR entity (including NASCAR itself) contains the
most content value for satellite radio?" That's what we were talking about.

Whether you like him or not, NASCAR fans do. Hugely. There is no bigger
player.

It isn't about his performance this season. It is about his presence.

Of course, if Sirius had him, you'd love him. Typical.

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> They didn't go through January. There were, however, some technical
> problems that kept some of these receivers on longer than they were supposed
> to. As XM became aware of this problem, these receivers were shut down.
> There were very few of these receivers in circulation. And XM wasn't
> "giving them away" (you may remember, this was a tie-in with Dockers).

You can call it what you will. The receivers that friends of mine had
from the promo had them active through January, then XM tried to bill
them for the time from October through January.

The deal was a tie-in with dockers, but it still involved someone
walking away with a receiver and service for 0 dollars and 0 cents.

--D

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> Of course, if Sirius had him, you'd love him. Typical.

You're putting words in my mouth. I like Tony Stewart because he's a
powder keg and is one of the most hardcore people in racing anything
with 4 wheels.

I catch Nascar at random, I'm not that passionate about it. I like
Tony and Matt Yocum when they're on Bubba's show, which is sometimes
Nascar related and sometimes they're just there drinking a beer hanging
out.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

Whatever. The Dockers promotion was miniscule and didn't cost XM anything.

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> Whatever. The Dockers promotion was miniscule and didn't cost XM anything.

Yeah you always say all sorts of things didn't cost XM anything.. But
then when the paperwork comes out, it's proven to not be the case.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

>> Whatever. The Dockers promotion was miniscule and didn't cost XM
>> anything.
>
> Yeah you always say all sorts of things didn't cost XM anything.. But
> then when the paperwork comes out, it's proven to not be the case.
>

But it wasn't. You saying it doesn't constitute "proof", and in fact, the
numbers "PROVED" exactly what I said.

The Dockers promotion was NOT a Q4 event. Perhaps you should look at SACs
prior to Q4.

Not one of you has been able to disprove a fucking thing I've said other
than that I've been wrong about the price of the shares.

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> Not one of you has been able to disprove a fucking thing I've said other
> than that I've been wrong about the price of the shares.

Oh and the fact that XM's SAC went very high on Q4 and that Hugh
unloaded his stock while Parsons was on TV saying they'd hit guidance.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

> Oh and the fact that XM's SAC went very high on Q4 and that Hugh
> unloaded his stock while Parsons was on TV saying they'd hit guidance.

I've never said XM's SACs weren't high in Q4. But to keep it perspective,
they were STILL well below SIRI's.

As to the other issue, there is simply no conceivable way that Parsons could
have been aware of the time frame during which receivers sold in Q4 would be
activated. Which is, after all, what we're talking about. "Guidance"
wasn't missed in any rational sense; but the less expensive receivers
clearly were slower to activate.

You raising this point is simply an admission of your own ignorance.

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> You raising this point is simply an admission of your own ignorance.

That's why they're being sued for it, because it's so obviously clear
that's not what went on.

idiot.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

>
> That's why they're being sued for it, because it's so obviously clear
> that's not what went on.

If you knew ---- about lawsuits you'd know that being sued is meaningless.
People get sued for all kinds of idiotic reasons every day. The question is
whether they will be found liable.

Until they are, the fact that they were sued means absolutely nothing.

Idiot. Why am I having this argument with a fucking car radio installer?
It isn't as though you know a damned thing about what you're talking about.

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> Until they are, the fact that they were sued means absolutely nothing.

It's not about the process of being sued. It's that they have an
inkling of possibly winning. They do have justification here, it's
just particularly weak.

> Idiot. Why am I having this argument with a fucking car radio installer?
> It isn't as though you know a damned thing about what you're talking about.

It's very obvious where I work if you take a look. I install car audio
in my spare time, my day job is much more lucrative than your job of
pounding a few calculator buttons and calling yourself a CPA.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

> It's very obvious where I work if you take a look. I install car audio
> in my spare time, my day job is much more lucrative than your job of
> pounding a few calculator buttons and calling yourself a CPA.

I haven't practiced as a CPA since I sold my last practice in '97. By law,
people can't just "call themselves" CPAs. You take the exam; if you pass it
you can be a CPA. If not, you can't.

You have to have an extremely high tolerance for boredom to work as a CPA
which is the principal reason I don't do it anymore.

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> I haven't practiced as a CPA since I sold my last practice in '97. By law,
> people can't just "call themselves" CPAs. You take the exam; if you pass it
> you can be a CPA. If not, you can't.

People can call themselves all sorts of things on here, doesn't mean
there's truth to it. Sirius_Rich went looking to see if you took the
exam or were ever a CPA and came up with nothing.

--D

[All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone]

>
> People can call themselves all sorts of things on here, doesn't mean
> there's truth to it.

Right. You've claimed to be some kind of computer expert who also installs
car radios; but you don't seem to have even a basic understanding of
computers or software.

> Sirius_Rich went looking to see if you took the
> exam or were ever a CPA and came up with nothing.

Sirius Rich is a fucking moron; there is no place you can go to find out
whether someone "took the exam" or "were ever a CPA".

[Dr. Droo]

All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> Right. You've claimed to be some kind of computer expert who also installs
> car radios; but you don't seem to have even a basic understanding of
> computers or software.

Like I said, it's very obvious where I work and have worked, you
definitely didn't look. It was clear to me you know nothing about
computers when you were here touting Dell like some sort of amazing
thing.


If you were anything of importance then you'd actually be doing
something more constructive than posting at all of these forums and
message boards throughout the day. The proof is that you're an XM
shill, probably paid to do that even.

> Sirius Rich is a fucking moron; there is no place you can go to find out
> whether someone "took the exam" or "were ever a CPA".

I'm sure you'd show up somewhere. Seems you're just some putz that
lives near the sewage plant though, that's the reality of it.

--D

[yqf@my-deja.com]

Dr. Droo wrote:
> All My Shrimp Was Dead and Gone wrote:
> > Right. You've claimed to be some kind of computer expert who also installs
> > car radios; but you don't seem to have even a basic understanding of
> > computers or software.
>
> Like I said, it's very obvious where I work and have worked, you
> definitely didn't look. It was clear to me you know nothing about
> computers when you were here touting Dell like some sort of amazing
> thing.
>
>
> If you were anything of importance then you'd actually be doing
> something more constructive than posting at all of these forums and
> message boards throughout the day. The proof is that you're an XM
> shill, probably paid to do that even.
>
> > Sirius Rich is a fucking moron; there is no place you can go to find out
> > whether someone "took the exam" or "were ever a CPA".
>
> I'm sure you'd show up somewhere. Seems you're just some putz that
> lives near the sewage plant though, that's the reality of it.

I thought that frontmed lived next to a brick wall.