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North Sat
February 3rd, 2000, 05:27 PM
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To The Real King!!
February 4th, 2000, 12:16 AM
Hi All,

Here is the complete Oral Reasons For Judgement by the Honourable Mr. Justice Donald Brenner from a fax my wife Frances typed in. Thanks to GS2 for the Fax and Frances and THANKS to the Honourable Mr. Justice Brenner.

Notice how Bell ExpressVu convelute the CanAm name and peoples names to make it appear like its Bell against the masses. Quite some formula for destruction.
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Date: 19991210
Docket: A993004
Registry: Vancouver
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IN THE SUPREME COURT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA
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Oral Reasons for Judgment
Mr. Justice Brenner
Pronounced in Chambers
December 10, 1999
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BETWEEN:
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BELL EXPRESSVU LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
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PLAINTIFF
AND:
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RICHARD REX c.o.b. as "CAN-AM SATELLITES", RICHARD REX c.o.b. as "CAN AM SATELLITES" and c.o.b. as "CANAM SATELLITES" and c.o.b. as "CAN AM SATELLITE" and c.o.b. as "CAN AM SAT" and c.o.b. as "CAN-AM SATELLITE DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP" and c.o.b. as "CAN-AM DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP" and c.o.b. as "DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP", ANNE MARIE HALLEY a.k.a ANNE MARIE REX, MICHAEL REX a.k.a. MIKE REX, RODNEY KIBLEE a.k.a. RODKIBLER, LEE-ANNE PATTERSON, MICHELLE LEE, JAY RAYMOND, JASON ANTHONY, JOHN DOE 1 to 20, JANE DOE 1 to 20 and ANY OTHER PERSON OR PERSONS FOUND ON THE PREMISES OR IDENTIFIED AS WORKING AT THE PREMISES AT 22409 McINTOSH AVENUE, MAPLE RIDGE, BRITISH COLUMBIA, WHO OPERATE OR WORK FOR BUSINESSES CARRYING ON BUSINESS UNDER THE NAME AND STYLE OF "CAN-AM SATELLITES", "CANAM SATELLITES", "CAN AM SATELLITE", "CAN AM SAT", "CAN-AM SATELLITE DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP", "CAN-AM DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP", "DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP", OR ONE OR MORE OF THEM
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DEFENDANTS
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Counsel for the Plaintiff: K. McKenzie, D. Grunder
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Counsel for the Defendant, R. Rex: R. Peck, Q.C.
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Counsel for the Defendant, A. Halley: D. Martin
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Counsel for the Defendant, M. Lee: R. Willinofsky
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Counsel for all Defendants, except M. Rex: K. Filkow
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(1) THE COURT: The plaintiff seeks a permanent injunction or, in the alternative, an interim injunction in this matter. The plaintiff is licensed by the C.R.T.C. to broadcast direct to home (DTH) television programming via satellite to Canadian subsribers.
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(2) Canadian residents who subscribe to ExpressVu and who own an ExpressVu DTH satellite television decoding system are authorized to decode the encrypted subscription programming signals transmitted by the plaintiff and view the programming for which they have subscribed. There is one other licensed satellite DTH broadcaster in Canada called Star Choice.
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(3) Similar services operate in the United States under the names Direct T.V. and Echo Star. They are licensed by the F.C.C. and are authorized to have their encrypted subscription programming signals viewed in the United States. Counsel advise that their signals are not authorized under the F.C.C. rules to be broadcast for reception and decoding outside the U.S.
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(4) The plaintiff alleges that the defendants' business activities breach ss. 9.1(c) and 10.1(b) of the Radio Communication Act and interfere with the plaintiff's business.
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(5) The defendants are in the business of selling U.S. DTH decoder systems to Canadians and supplying them with a U.S. address and other services which allow them to subscribe for and pay for programming from U.S. DTH broadcasters. This is what, on this application, was termed "grey market activities". The plaintiff also says that the defendants have engaged in what is termed "black market activities", that is, the selling of modified DTH decoder cards that permit the decoding of U.S. DTH broadcasters' signals without any payment to the broadcasters.
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(6) The defendants have consented to a cease and desist order in respect of these latter activities. In view of that, the issue before me is whether an injunction should issue with respect to the grey market activities carried on by the defendants, either on a permanent or interim basis.
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(7) The issue in the underlying action is the interpretation of s. 9.1(c) of the Radio Communication Act; on this application the issue is whether the plaintiff has met the test for an injunction. S. 9.1(c) provides as follow:
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No person shall
(c) decode an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed, otherwise than under and in accordance with authorization from the lawful distributor of the signal or feed.
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(8) "Lawful distributor" is defined by the Radio Communication Act as a person who has the lawful right in Canada to transmit the signal and authorize its decoding. "Subscription programming signal" means radio communication that is intended for a reception, either directly or indirectly, by the public in Canada or elsewhere on payment of a subscription fee or other charge.
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(9) It is an offence under s. 9.1(d) of the Radio Communication Act to operate a radio apparatus so as to receive an encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed that has been decoded in contravention of 9.1(c).
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(10) Section 18.1 creates a civil cause of action in favour of any person who holds an interest in the content of a subscription programming signal or network feed by virtue of copyright ownership or a license granted by a copyright owner. If loss or damages are suffered as a result of conduct that is contrary to s. 9.1(c) or (d) or s. 10.1(b), provable damages may be recovered. Such person also has the right to obtain other remedies, including an injunction, accounting, or other remedy that the court considers appropriate.
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(11) The plaintiff contends that s. 9.1(c) makes it an offence to decode any encrypted signals or feeds without the authorization of a lawful distributor, which by definition means a person who has the lawful right in Canada to transmit the signal or fee and authorize its decoding. The defendants, on the other hand, contend that s. 9.1(c) simply makes it unlawful to decode the encrypted transmissions of a lawful distributor without paying for it.
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(12) The courts in three Canadian provinces, in cases involving criminal prosecutions, have held that s. 9.1(c) does not encompass the decoding of foreign signals for which there is no lawful distributor in Canada (see R. v. Love (1997), M.J. (No. 109); R. v. Ereiser (1997), S.J. (No. 276); R. v. LeBlanc (1997), M.S.J. (No. 476)).
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(13) However the plaintiff relies on other decisions holding to me contrary in civil actions with facts very similar to the facts in the case at bar. The latest of these decisions is a decision of Mr. Justice Nordheimer of the Ontario Supreme Court of Justice, issued October 5, 1999, unreported, Court File 99CV174995.
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(14) Mr. Justice Nordheimer heard an application by the plaintiff to restrain a similar activity in Ontario. At paragraph 15, Nordheimer J. turned to the question as to whether an interlocutory injunction should be granted. After setting out the test and referring to s. 9.1(c) and (d) of the Radio Communication Act, at paragraph 18, he stated:
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Further, the type of activities engaged in by the defendants here have already been found in other proceedings to offend the aforementioned provisions of the Radio Communication Act.
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He then referred to a 1997 decision of Mr. Justice Gibson in the Federal Court, ExpressVu Inc. v. NII Norsat International Inc. (1997), F.C.J. (No. 10004), which was affirmed on appeal.
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(15) In Norsat Mr. Justice Gibson had before him a similar civil case and, when one reviews his decision, it is apparent that he, in turn, adopted the earlier analysis of a Provincial Court judge in Alberta, Jude LeGrandeur, with respect to the proper interpretation of s. 9.1(c). At page 16 of his reasons, Mr. Justice Gibson sates:
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In my analysis of the application of the above-quoted expansion of a portion of s-s. 9.1 on the facts before me, I adopt much of the analysis of His Honour Judge J. LeGrandeur in the Quality Electronics case cited earlier.
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February 4th, 2000, 12:16 AM

To The Real King!!
February 6th, 2000, 12:47 AM
Hi NorthSat,

Yup most of their arguement is GONE. Also "wild willie" has Appealed but I feel that will just result in a higher court ruling for us.

I am going to recommend that the legal-rights issue INCLUDE an injunctive procedures against the RCMP. I have always felt it was an objective we should have and I have recommended it to the group and lawyers in the past. Now I can argue MORE FORCEFULLY as this ruling certainly JUSTIFIES that.


You can throw in that 5% with our charter challenge and Injunction plea if you will be good enough to. In fact thats too much and $5,000 will do just fine. Fixer who you know well has just given me HIS check for $5,000 and I haven't seen one from you yet. You could just give it to him when you see him.
Please Make it out to Eliot Berlin in trust as he is the lawyer handling the case while Alan Gold will probably do the arguing. A VERY good team and of course Ian Angus is consulting as he is the real total expert in these matters.

PS. I also asked Ian to share the Michel Clavet testimony (Industry Canada) from my case where he testifies that these DSS receivers are fully LEGAL in Canada. Its in French so he will have iit translated first. I will also try to post the translation.

The RCMP's days of misinterpretation seem to be coming to an end as is 'wild willies' :)

Some things just make you plain HAPPY :) :) :)

Thanks

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gunsmoke2
February 6th, 2000, 02:44 PM
Hi TTRK,

A contribution from North Sat would be very much apprciated.. also his valuable input. :)

All contributions would very much be appreciated.!

Yes, we have to include some injunction or action against the RCMP for their OBVIOUS INTENTIAL BEHAVIOUR that is TOTALLY wrong.

I think we need to discuss with the lawyers on the best way to proceed.. what I and you heard was not in everyone's best interest.

North Sat
February 6th, 2000, 07:08 PM
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gunsmoke2
February 6th, 2000, 09:52 PM
Frankly I will back the first case to get there ( Supreme Court ) I think most will agree on that.

The expenses occured are substantial.. however you might be surprised on some of the expensives occured in the East by some of us on various experts.. lawyers..

What ever is spent whether in Manitoba.. BC.. Ontario.. Quebec.. will be available to whoever is still fighting..

One company has spent much in Ontario.. the fruits of his bearing might prove to be very good for all of us very soon.. the point being we are basically fighting on common ground.. all efforts should be pulled.

We have initiated already a plan of action that is for the benifit of all.. recently one of the lawyers wanted to attach a paticular case to it.. however we are in the midst of correcting it..

Actually for some of the reasons you pointed out.. the one case could benifit by having the charges dropped which would only benifit that case.. they will not contest if they think they will lose in fear of a bad decision.. they rather just not contest.. they already did that in Ontario.

The action we are trying to launch goes back awhile.. and has the foundation for a mutual benifit to all.. Ian has contributed on it and you can always check with him.. we are open minded and have taken the initive to try to launched an effective offensive action.

We feel better in trying to do something rather than not.. certainly your involment is much needed.. our way might not be the best.. but atleast we are trying to create a way..

Any common action that has a goal to benifit all on its separate merit is worth pursuing.

Unfortunately I can't help on my case.. almost 15 months with one 90 day court hearing.. they really aren't interested in it.. thats because my case is very strong as theirs is very weak to say the least..

No invertigation.. simply found invoices on an excution of a warrant the day before..the invoices suggested that this dealer did buisness with mine.. of course he did MORONS he was one of my best customers..

All my inventory gone.. items that clearly say on their garbage booklets that can be used for the PUKES and the JERKS.. imagine keeping my computer screens.. keyboards.. mouses.. my favourite mouse.. Mickey - I miss ya..

Charges for possesion ONLY under the B U L L S H I T RC ACT.. which Industry MORONIC EXPECT said was LEGAL under testimony.. so back to court in May maybe.. its so riduculas I fell fooshish at times typeing about.

But I won't when I get a chance to swing the bat.. its mighty big.. IDIOTS :)

To The Real King!!
February 7th, 2000, 10:47 AM
Hi North Sat,

Perhaps you have the wrong idea. There is no part of our personal defences (which are all separate) that is being fought by the legal-rights.org challenge. It is purposley not even the same lawyers and is a TOTALLY SEPARATE deal. Perhaps that's not well enough understood!!

In actual fact it is the other way around. The challenge is benefitting from my case for example. I have fought 13 days of court hearings so far that has produced some very good results. I am back again on the 9th, 10th and 11th of February and Ian will be there to montor the proceedings. My lawyers there is Mr. Richard Shadley and my wifes is Mr. Joe La Leggia and they have nothing to do with the legal-rights challenge. Only Mr. Ian Angus is a consultant to Mr. Elliot Berlin, the lawyer in charge of the legal-rights charter challenge and he (Mr. Angus) is also my defence lawyer in Ontario. But there is NO connection at all for billing just that Ian is the singular most knowledgable lawyer in Canada on these issues. That's why he is a consultant to Mr. Elliot Berlin and to Mr. Richard Shadley too.

Mr. Alan Gold, who may do the actual pleading is the lawyer for some other defendents but again nothing is mixed between them. Only the knowledge he gains at the cost of the other defendents. But he is one of Canada's top speakers and has the credibility required in front of the court in this type of issue.

As my case will be over LONG before the legal-rights.org challenge is brought forward with independent charter rights citizen claimants (who have been chosen, not me), the benefits of my almost $200,000.00 in legal fees will be TO the challenge and not the other way around.

Notwithsanding this enormous bill for Legal-fees, I have still garnered a $5,000.00 donation on my behalf and have put in hundreds of hours for the cause of Canadians across the country. There is no way that my defence will benefit from this although I will benefit from the evidence sharing that is taking place due to the http://www.legal-rights.org site if anything there becomes useful. It has not so far but I have obtained beautiful evidence there.

In fact I fedexed copies of the full transcripts to Ian Angus. We had Mr. Michel Clavet of Industry Canada testify here that the American DSS systems are legal in canada. (hardware). This is clearly stated. As that was in French, Ian will have it translated and I have authorized his sharing of that WITH YOU as it is certainly relevant to the units the RCMP seized at customs. If they are legal, why did they seize them??? There is other info from DTV and NDS that I do not want to talk of publicly but you will see it.

So while we appreciate your input and your case we dont think that lets you off the HOOK :)

Not any more than it lets me or GS2 or others who dont want to be known but have donated. One Ontario Dealer/distributor has donated well over $10,000.00 EVEN though the crown admitted that his rights under section 8 of the charter were infringed and gave him BACK his stuff. He is also acting on principle and is unnamed.

Eddie this is really a situation where NOBODY can do TOO MUCH or put in TOO MUCH EFFORT to help this cause. Its a lawful cause, one on the side of RIGHT AND JUSTICE and we feel that I would dare ask you again to donate $5,000.00 to the cause. Even KIM or Fixer who has NEVER done as well as many others has donated $5,000.00 because he wants to ENSURE that we win.

You are mentioned in the Brenner ruling in BC and now we ask that you become a Major player, both in money and information in this most important chalenge to 2b that ever faced us. We HAVE to win!! And the fact is that you ARE a major Player and innovater in the Satellite industry in Canada, so you need to be a major player at this table too.


Please make out your check to Elliot Berlin (in trust) at Berlin & Azoulay 16 Esna Park Drive, suite 101 Markham, Ontario, Canada, L3R 5X1 or made out the same way to the LEGAL RIGHTS Satellite Organization, P.O. Box 1500, Rigaud, Quebec, Canada J0P 1P0.

While $5,000.00 is a lot of money, you will be PROUD to tell your children that you helped in preserving the rights of all Canadians and its a NOBLE cause that will long be remembered. It also sends a message to the many other dealers who HAVE NOT yet donated that they SHOULD. They often take liberties here on these forums but they may want to put there MONEY where their MOUTH is. No one should avoid this challenge.

Thanks

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North Sat
February 7th, 2000, 09:53 PM
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gunsmoke2
February 8th, 2000, 12:59 AM
The charter arguement has already been raised in trial process.. a case not being handled by Ian.

That case may well have a decision on the issue one way or the other.. and it might happen before yours.

Many Canadians have already consented to be party to a charter challenge.. this took major efforts by many to accomplish. In fact many fit the ideal profile of a good canditate.

Still seems to be some lack of communication or ability to organized our strengths. If we only took the time.. maybe conference calls to start.. meeting.. then maybe we can all agree together which is the best route.

What could be more important.. maybe yours is the best ticket.. or maybe another..

Still think a common frontal action not tied to any case is needed independantly.

To The Real King!!
February 10th, 2000, 08:40 PM
Sorry Eddie,

I have to tell you that a case in Quebec has already been argued in court for both the WRITTEN charter challenge (based largely on the Ian Angus Applicant Factum) and has BEEN accepted by the judge who will rule on it on April 28th and THEN rule on the trial. This has already been stated and the crown has until March 15, 2000 to present her Section One plea or whatever she will produce. Then March 15 is the court date where final charter verbal plea will be accepted (and the deadline for written pleas) and the judge will rule by a further court date of April 28 for the DECISION.

This has all been agreed to BY THE COURT and the PARTIES. These dates are NOT optional and MUST be followed short of the death of one party etc.

The written Charter application was given in at trial and the crown had no counter-arguement at all. The judge suggested she present it like the defendent already did, in WRITING. As you know, she cannot be forced to but the judge made it very clear that she would PREFER that. We dont know what the crown will do but we will know on March 15, when I will be there again for this case (not mine).

So Eddie I think this case will come first. Certainly it was an excellent written arguement (as it was Ians latest factum including Mr. Justice Brenner) and I left Ian only 1 hour ago after having a conference with him and my 2 other lawyers since 5 PM tonite (till 10:30) in a good restaurant. He is here to be in my court tomorrow. It was a simple., small and tidy case argued in French with a Justice who was VERY amenable to a charter decision. That has NEVER happened before, except where McLellan gave it to king, overturned because KING did not ask. It is nonetheless jurisprudence in this case as a judge ruled and was overturn on other issues, not the facts he granted it on.

Additionally MUCH REASONABLE DOUBT was created as this case involved a defendent his non-working Fcard and his non-working Hcard along with his partners and one other. None of them worked AND the crown managed to analyze 5 cards out of 4. Neat trick, then discovery expertise by John Norris but Kilfoyle came to testify. All screwed up.

A Star Choice VP came to testify and was asked about 45 channels (starting with C-span) and admitted that they broadcast NONE of them. Additionally it became obvious that they could NOT turn a profit with many of those 45.

Interestingly, when asked about CNN International, this VP said he knew it well and later was asked HOW???? It is NOT broadcast in Canada and it becanme obvious to ALL that HE had a DSS system. Broad smiles were flashed all over the courtroom, INCLUDING from the bench. He was cought but recovered to say, after far too long a delay, that it was because he travelled sometimes.

Much Much more, In all a very well argued case.

The results and NO MORE DETAILs will be forthcoming when the above dates are passed.

Eddie do not under estimate our legal-rights charter challenge. It has many more attributes including broadcasters than I can mention currently. It will go ahead the "RIGHT" way but you still should help it being a leader in the industry. I cant disclose because of snitches here but its being done RIGHT.
Thanks,

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North Sat
February 10th, 2000, 11:46 PM
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gunsmoke2
February 11th, 2000, 01:30 AM
Hi TTRK,

Ya, talking about the same case.. its going very well.. excellant lawyer.

Theres that lack of communication...

Trading money for Canadians sounds like bargaining chips... not too impressive to anyone reading this.. egos seem to be of a higher value then the values of Canadian's rights across the country.

When the top lawyers including Ian suggest that an independant action is needed for all Canadians and a preventive tool for everyone's benifit.. it seems logical to try to accomplish it..

Even the BC lawyer is just recently putting in his two cents worth.. a great lawyer.. on out brief telephone conversation he ask about organizations representing dealers.. Canadians.. thought it was very important.. told him we were on to it and well advanced on a legal position.. he was going to call lawyers in TO to catch up on the situation.

A charter challenge in a separate dealer's case can achieve some goals.. a charter challenge that represents ....... can achieve much different and much needed other goals.. I guess very good lawyers in the industry know whats needed that serve the interests at large..

Its sad to me when I see conflicts in our own community.. one would only have to fly in to analize the eforts for themselves.. could talk to lawyers who are driving the model car then decide.. a free ticket could be provided by by bonus points.. offered generously by one who has before.. remember the offer to fly one in from BC.

Its not good to disclose the game plan in the open at this stage.. one thing you don't need is to communicate it to wild willy.. make him work to earn a living for a change.

Next month court is already set for an important case that could result in a ruling on the proper interpretation of the RC ACT.. right in Ontario.. result of a GRAVE ERROR by the Royal Farcets.. Judge will have to rule on this thanks to the HUGE mistake.. again great lawyers! some of the best anyhere.!

Not one single person is responsible.. and if the merit of combined eforts can not atleast be look at first instead whos got the best case or is in the best position to go to the end is a shame.

My crystall ball still does not work... who knows the little unknown case starting in Quebec with the defendant acting on his own behalf could be a bread winner.. can't perdict law.. its like death and taxes..

Its time to lay down individual perceptions and atleast try to examine working together instead of against..

Only now did it become apparent that a charter arguement has been argued in a dealer's case already... that dealer has been around since the eighties.. but frankly don't see how that matters anyway.

Getting Canadians here won't happen.. that I can say with some knowledge.. think I have a little experience on that.. put all together and you get the missing ingredients..

It doesn't come with a price.. not an option to buy.. rather free for giving and taking.

Please everyone be open minded.

Thank you

GS2

BTW, anyone who knew Ernie ( knibbs ) as I did .. knew he was one of the biggest jerk offs around.. what a loser.. incapable of telling the truth.. very bad example ;)

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North Sat
February 11th, 2000, 09:55 AM
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To The Real King!!
February 11th, 2000, 07:50 PM
Hi Eddie,

You are talking a good line but do you have ANY idea how much work GS2 & I have put into the ONE case that has been argued on the Charter and that I am talking about above? It is already argued and ACCEPTED by the Judge, through NO SMALL EFFORT. We got it there and that alone was difficult and I know that YOU know just how slow judges can be even when you like them :)

I just spent 2 days with Ian and will supply him with the witness list, the Jurisprudence book and all the transcripts from that trial.

Last week I supplied Ian and Alan Gold with all the the transcripts from my case (several hundred dollars worth of photostats and much is valid in many other cases). That is MY MONEY that I spent for others benefit and it DOES NOT come out of any funding at all. Just my becoming POOR pockets.

Sometimes its good to engage brain before engaging fingers and you should NOT comment on things you know nothing about.

I have had 2 top dollar lawyers in court for three days this week and Ian was here for Thursday and Friday as well. So far over 17 full days and we are back now for 3 more days in March. Hope to complete then but I cant be sure. But we are running out front and distantly ahead of second (or last) place. He left at 4 PM for a 400 mile drive home in poor conditions. That too is real dedication because he EASILY could have left at noon as most lawyers would have on a Friday.

As to the Canadians you need, I wont discuss it here publicly because I will NOT telegraph what we are doing to "Wild Willie" as he has a plethora of snitches here OR to Industry RATS Canada.

I have lots to say on it though and the answers are in hand. If you want to call me, please call Kim (Fixer) and he will give you my home number. We have a lot to talk about on the charter issue and much of it is well worth the phone call. I am very readily available, so give me a ring. I think you could be very happy you did.

PS. We are not filing our Charter arguments before the Quebec ruling (on the Charter) and may well decide to use the funds to go to the appeals courts if we win and the crown appeals, which they will. We have done MUCH to prepare against a crown trying to SAVE a challenge such as this by section ONE of the Charter and its ready NOW, in advance. Wont discuss that here BUT on the phone in private, no problem. You KNOW what Ian considers their best argument and we are ready for that. We can even quickly present LIVE witnesses to counter it, quite the feat.

We are involved with SEVERAL COURT CASES and those require almost DAILY attention so do NOT even suggest that I dont fight for peoples rights. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Not AT ALL.

But you might ask Ian sometime or better still CALL ME. If I call you I will just get BRAD and thats not who I want to speak to so CALL ME!!

PS. GS2 was the one who convinced CanAm to use Richard Peck which didnt turn out to be such a bad idea. His persuasivenss and his 50 phone calls to arrange that properly is just one example of the work being done. And on top of all he is doing he donated heavily, as did his wife, to the legal-rights Charter Challenge. And he has never seen ONE PENNY from legal-rights to cover anything he does. That money will go to LAWYERS ONLY or flying in the correct participant (such as a witness) when needed.

Thanks,

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gunsmoke2
February 12th, 2000, 12:18 AM
We are all out to win at all costs.. perhaps you are not aware.

I stepped up to the plate over 4 years ago... way before I even had a problem.. it was not fashionable to do so then especially if you did not have a satellite related problem.

ALL expenses have already been committed for citizens back in 99. Money isn't being solicited blindly.. it goes IN TRUST TO A LAW FIRM.

If you want to find out more without us telegraphing our stradegy there is a trip available to you all expenses paid. We have been ask by the attorneys NOT to disclose sensitive information at this time.. surely one like yourself could understand that.

Case law pertains to everyone.. not just the parties involved.. otherwize we wouldn't have the Norsat case shove down our throats on their reasons to obtain.

Many cases have fallen.. no one is complainnig.. thats to be expected.. however just like yours there are many that are committed.

I retain Ian also along with two others..if Ian recommended to throw my attention to yours I would be glad to.. however he has not.

Perhaps this is going no where.. but atleast you were invited to have a look WITHOUT paying anything until you were satisfied atleast as far as I am concerned.

You are entitled to see where you funds would go to.. then decide.. think that is very reasonable.. paid trip also..

I have put so much energy and efforts in a genuine effort to defend peoples rights.. also donated much personnally.. my company.. my wife.. that was our decision.. your decision is yours.

There is nothing to be disillusion about regarding about my great interest.. if thats the case then very sad.. I wonder who should be disillusion over who.

I hope open minds prevail..

GS2.

North Sat
February 12th, 2000, 01:06 AM
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gunsmoke2
February 12th, 2000, 04:11 PM
I find it troubling that you never heard of it.. it is not a johnny come lately..

It is being handled by a very fine lawyer, not Ian... but Ian knows him well.

There are many fine cases on the go.. alot handled by different lawyers.

One gets the impression that your case is the only one that matters.. probably should just ignore the BC decision.

There will be other cases that have potential to help yours and others..

There is alot of basic real help and being isolated or independant won't help you on being informed..

There are alot of different providences involved with different crowns and different judges.. your speculation on what is done and why is just that.

While your case is moving like a snail with maybe many reasons for adjournment others are moving quicker.

Another case starts next week.. The crown supplied one book only of Kaka as their evidence.. seised was one receiver one computer and old battery cards that are useless..

That case will have ALL the current information available as we are ALL working together to insure ALL the right ammunitionion is available.. I believe in that support to ALL cases..

How long do you think that case will go.. not very long..who knows maybe a positive decision before yours even though its just starting.

Nobody has a crystall ball in law.. to think that other cases will waste a charter challenge except yours is not being very open minded.

The first case that was attempted and was a complete waste was The Spot.. and Ian was the attorney representing The Spot..

You might want to look at that the decision regarding the judge's comments on the charter arguement raised..it was a mistake.. mistakes happen.. luckily the damage was limited.

Lots of good courses that are plotted.. beleive some will make yours even easier..

Good Luck


GS2

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To The Real King!!
February 12th, 2000, 06:51 PM
Hi Eddy,

I find it troubling that you dont seem to speak English. Call (put your fingers on the phone and dial MY number) if you want to know more. This just is NOT the correct place.

The case next week that GS2 is talking about has a WONDERFUL FEATURE that no other case in Canada has and that may well surprize EVERYONE. Once we have a Quebec and an Ontario case, we will have something MEANINGFUL.

Perhaps your not aware Eddie, that Manitoba is NOT a really big Province in Canada and a ruling THERE is much less meaningful that one from Quebec or Ontario. The Superior courts in Quebec or Ontario are considered HIGHER than the Federal court (considered by Judges) and the Provincial Courts of Appeal are considered more highly than the Federal Court of appeal. That does NOT apply to a court of Queens Bench in Manitoba or their appeals court, unfortunatly.

While RULINGS from ANY province are important, look at how UNCONSIDERED the Saskatchewan/Klebuc and the Nova Scotia/Halliburtons were to Judge Gibson in Norsat (Ontario) and Judge Nordenheim (Ontario) in Tedmonds.

Haven't you EVER WONDERED about THAT FACT that they were NOT taken as LAW???

They are considered "out-Provinces" just like Manitoba is to Superior courts in Ontario or Quebec. They provide "GUIDANCE" and are NOT binding on THESE COURTS. A ruling in a Quebec or Ontario Superior Court is BINDING!!!

I find that this is a SHAME because we are supposed to be one country, but THAT is the way it works. BC is in the middle and we don't know HOW that will be seen but certainly NOT like if it was in Quebec or Ontario.

Big difference there. While you often quote the relative VALUE of courts, you seem to have avoided saying THAT!!! That Canada has a poorly running democratic process certainly is not your fault.

Does your Phone work?? We do need to talk.

And if you do NOT want to donate to "the cause" in Canada and are just worried about solving YOUR OWN case, dont be shy, just say so. I can understand that attitude. In fact its one that I am VERY familiar with in Canada. A defendent like yourself has your HANDS FULL just defending yourself against the WHOLE GOVERNMENT and their RCMP enforcers who will spend unlimited funds against YOU and it takes special people to that well let alone do more. I understand that as they have seized over 5 million dollars from my family and continue to monitor my whole family.

Luckily we do have some like GS2 and myself and 'IE' in Toronto and several others. We will win with or without your help but would much rather have you in the group. You are a very intelligent individual Eddie (I know that and Ian expresses that too) and that is just as important as money. You are lucky enough to still be in control of both your abilities and your money.


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February 13th, 2000, 03:43 AM
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To The Real King!!
February 13th, 2000, 04:17 PM
Hi Eddie,

For the UMPTEENTH time we have 35 of what YOU NEED fully qualified and lined up and we are WILLING to share them with you. But this is NOT the appropriate forum to discuss that. I will NOT reveal what we have to "wild willy's" snitches. PHONE ME and we can discuss that and possibly satisfy your needs. Many are ETHNIC and ideally suited to you needs but CALL. It cannot and will not be solved on this or any PUBLIC forum. I don't know how to be clearer than that.

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gunsmoke2
February 13th, 2000, 05:24 PM
You might want to check with lawyers before soliting like that..

Perhaps you have and no problems...

My lawyer feels that running newspaper ads buying up or paying for your Canadian citizens could have its problems with the crown.

They can make it an issue that these Canadians do not really care because you offered to pay them to say so.

Again perhaps you are fine and covered.. just wanted to bring up this possible sticky point.

GS2

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February 14th, 2000, 02:48 AM
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To The Real King!!
February 14th, 2000, 08:24 AM
Right Eddie,

I am TRYING NOT to reveal WHAT we have but I have hinted quite strongly. It's the umpteenth (OK maybe a little less :) that I have asked you to call me.

Even revealing that we have 35 qualified is more than I want to reveal and the MOST that I will reveal. I am surprized that you dont have a better feel for things in that light in that you know "wild willy". You can call and reverse the charges if you like.

Early on I stated <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"I also asked Ian to share the Michel Clavet testimony (Industry Canada) from my case where he testifies that these DSS receivers are fully LEGAL in Canada. Its in French so he will have iit translated first. I will also try to post the translation."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This was the first hint as I didn't make that document public yet.

I said in one post <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"I cant disclose because of snitches here but its being done RIGHT."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then in another I said <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"As to the Canadians you need, I wont discuss it here publicly because I will NOT telegraph what we are doing to "Wild Willie" as he has a plethora of snitches here OR to Industry RATS Canada."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then I said <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"Does your Phone work?? We do need to talk."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eddie I suspect you were reading so as to avoid donating rather that hearing what I was saying. Please just call me. I think thats clear and I stated above that if I call you I will just get Brad. So call me.

On the front of the Quebec Charter case, whether you think thats the way it will go or not, here is the shedule.

The Judge has given a deadline of March 15th for the crown to present her written evidence against 2b of the charter. There is no sheduled court date. Then on April 28 {a sheduled date) the judge will FIRST rule on the 2b evidence before her. No further submissions will be accepted BUT if she rules in favor of the defendent then the CROWN will get the opportunity (and a delay) to argue that the 2B right given is in fact saved by Article 1 of the charter. The defendent will also have the right to counter that BUT ONLY when the 2B right IS GRANTED.

Thats the way THIS JUDGE is running this in HER COURT and even if YOU think it will be otherwise, it won't according to what she stated in open court. Whether or not she later alters that we will have to wait and see. I can only report on WHAT THE JUDGE SAID IN OPEN COURT.

It is interesting that I have supplied a lot of material to Ian for all cases including yours while Ian has also done likewise and assisted greatly with his enormous experience in these matters. We are co-operating in all cases because we are all criminalized in a similiar way. In fact I spoke to him again at 8:30 this AM about my case in Kitchener.

I am NOT trying to argue with you and quite the contrary I am trying very hard to get you to call me because you are virtually unreachable to my knowledge and because I have important things to say that can result in further useful co-operation. If you intend to push further to have me reveal MORE here, that wont happen. I am already unhappy having to reveal about the 35 as I do NOT want the opposition to have ANY knowledge about where we are coming from, none at ALL. There is MUCH more info on this and MANY more preparations made in case they make certain arguments but they will NOT be revealed here. I think you know what we consider to be their best argument and HOW we have acted to counter that.

I guess you are your own man and no amount of cajoling or "asking plain and simple" as I have done several times now, can get you to call. I am not sure why but its become quite apparent. I have asked many times now. I have done everything short of begging and you can "go piss up a rope" before I will do that. http://www.legal-rights.org/images/smiletongue.gif (Just kidding).

CALL ME DAMN IT!!

If you want CALL, otherwise I am done here.

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gunsmoke2
February 14th, 2000, 10:55 AM
I have mention it atleast 3 times..

Here is one example..


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> "ALL expenses have already been committed for citizens back in 99. Money isn't being solicited blindly.. it goes IN TRUST TO A LAW FIRM.

If you want to find out more without us telegraphing our stradegy there is a trip available to you all expenses paid. We have been ask by the attorneys NOT to disclose sensitive information at this time.. surely one like yourself could understand that."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Its too bad there is a lack of communication.. trying to work with you not against you..

GS2

gunsmoke2
February 14th, 2000, 11:00 AM
Here is another...


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> "Many Canadians have already consented to be party to a charter challenge.. this took major efforts by many to accomplish. In fact many fit the ideal profile of a good canditate.

Still seems to be some lack of communication or ability to organized our strengths. If we only took the time.. maybe conference calls to start.. meeting.. then maybe we can all agree together which is the best route."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


GS2