Multiswitch question

[shitstorm]

I've got the regular dish up or D** and I've got a 90cm Ku band dish hooked up to DMT1000 for some FTA channels on T5. If I just buy the new Hughes or RCA D**plus unit to try and get G3R would I still need a 22khz tone multiswitch or would a diplexer be good enough? I read that the new E11 Hughes unit has some type of 22khz "something" built into it. (I'm not too clear on that.) Am I wrong? Do I still need a 22khz switch no matter what?
BTW: Thanks for all the responses on my previous question. Haven't done much on trying to fix the situation cause I'm waiting on a friend that can sell me Ku band dishes for about $60.00.(minus lnb) I haven't seen them for less anywhere. Also, I found out that one of the links to get a multiswitch is not too far fom me.(gavilan) I've tried calling them for the past few days but their phone line seems to be always busy or nobody home. I'll try again today. Thanks for the help Turbo,GS2 and everybody else.

[smack]

I believe you only need the 22Khz multiswitch if you are trying to get several satellites of content through the same coax to the same receiver(s).

My understanding of the 22khz stuff is that it widens the scope of frequencies accepted by the lnb...i.e., at least one of the satellites (or transponders) are broadcasting at the lower end of the band, and the others are broadcasting near the top end of the band...the 22Khz tone somehow modulates or switches the LNB so that it can be receptive to the entire spectrum (instead of having several LNBs, each for a specific narrower sub-band).

SO..I believe that if you are collecting signal from several sats, and combining them to a single type of receiver, you need the 22khz capable systems (LNB, MS, IRD/receiver).

If you use a diplexor, and the frequencies overlap, the signal is trashed.


I'm not 100% on any of this, but I'm pretty sure.

Scott

[gunsmoke2]

Not sure if a Directv plus receiver will work on G3R.

The Directv plus receivers look for certain transponders only on 119 and 110 in addition to the regular 101

The tone switch is not related to LNB frequencies.

[Turbo2]

From what I understand is that the receiver uses the 22kHz signal to switch the multiswitch. So, who knows....

[gunsmoke2]

Yes it does use a tone switch.. just saying it wasn't meant or designed to work with G3R.

You can probably make it work with some imagination.. but has anyone done so..

Plan to try in next couple of days.. but if someone could confirm.. great.. its cold and I don't like ladders or heights :)

[shitstorm]

GS2: Thanks for the input.If that's the case,then what makes a Skyview receiver unique in the sense that it's able to pick up G3R.Is it something that's built into the unit itself that recognizes the sat?I'll be anxiously awaiting your results if you can succesfully get G3R w/your setup.Currently,I'm wary of getting a plus unit because of all the problems I have trying to get my friend's plus system to recognize the G3R sat.

Turbo2: I know that you have a Skyview receiver.Do you notice any distinct differences between that and a regular D** ird?( i.e. setup process,sat options,program guides etc.) Also, it sounds like it's safer to go with a Skyview receiver if I'm after the EABC channels.Can you tell me how I can acquire a unit w/o the hassle of the company asking if I'm a regular D** subscriber and all those other annoying questions. Basically, how do I stay anonymous? I don't think that I can just call Skyview and buy a system w/o answering questions that I'd rather not.Is the multiswitch that you're using passive or the tone type that GS2 recommended?Oh, can you tell me which channel ranges the EABC stuff is on? I'll try to get them w/ my friend's "para todos" system once I've got the necessary equipment.Thanks for any help you might be able to offer regarding the subject.

Can anyone confirm if they've successfully gotten a signal from G3R w/ either the new RCA or Hughes plus systems? I'd like to know if it can be done.Thanks.

[Desert007]

----storm: Too many questions to answer here but here it is.

DSS II receiver (Skyview) is design such a way that it sends the 22khz signal to the 22khz switch to change the signal to SAT2 (G3R). Now the problem is that, there are only certain transponder enable on DSSII receiver. This mean its restricted to receive signal from only those tp's. Now if DTV+ system is hooked up to G3r sat and DTV core, i am sure it will receive the signal unless from both sats unless it's also have restriction on transponder. (Can anyone confirm TP restriction).
Also, i think the multiswitch that comes with DTV+ receiver has the 22khz switch built-in which does the switching between 2 sats.
I hope this answer ONE of your questions.

Desert007

[Turbo2]

ALL DSSII and DirecTV+ has the capabilities to send 22kHz tone signal to switch.

The biggest question in my setup is....how will my HDTV Receiver(DirecTV+) know which multiswitch to change?

Taken that if I have a G3R/DirecTV/DirecTV(119) setup.....it's going to be very interesting.....

[gunsmoke2]

The only receiver that will operate a tone switch for these satellites ( 101 + G3R ) is the Hughes C-2.

The new Directv plus receivers will not work, they are programmed to receive certain responders on 110 + 119 ( when multi dish option is chosen ) in addition to 101.

A regular receiver will pick up the channels on G3R but you have to connect your LNB direct. For dish aiming the active transponders are 1, 5, 7 and all the same polarity ( H ).

I have not been able to receive channels with a Directv plus unit so far with any configuration.

[shitstorm]

Thanks for the info,GS2. You probably saved me at least a week's worth of fiddling around with a system that won't work anyway.I have a couple more of questions that I need you to help clarify.Hughes C2,you mean what's also called DSS 2.When you say "regular" receiver,you mean the current existing irds that we all use( i.e. SAT-A50).I want to pass over my idea to you and maybe you can tell me if it might work.
OK. Since I have a Ku band system already in place that's currently aimed at T5, I was thinking of using it to find G3R.Afterwards,as you suggested, I'll plug the line directly into my existing Sony and it should work,right? Now here's another question,what if I used a diplexer to join the signals from both sat lines,would it work? Or would using an AB switch be a better solution? I read in an earlier response that using a diplexer isn't possible. I recently installed a standard unit in a friend's new home w/existing RG-6 prerun.The problem was that his wife wanted to keep cable so she could still watch the chinese channels. So I used a diplexer at the cable junction box to join both the cable and sat signals and I used another diplexer to separate the signals from the single line that was coming into their bedroom into both the ird and the cable box. Seemed to work perfectly fine with very low picture quality loss. I was wondering if that's the same case if I just used one diplexer to join signals from both sats into my ird. Please advise if this is possible. Thanks.

[Turbo2]

GS2: The RCA kit that comes with the larger dish comes with a 22kHz 4x4 Multiswitch. Would there be a possibility it uses the 22kHz??

[smack]

The 4X4 MS that comes with the RCA Multi-LNB dish absolutely has 22Khz capability. The "B" ports are marked "22Khz" and the instructions for the "SAT C" combiner also mention using 22Khz.

Scott

[gunsmoke2]

Hi ----storm,

C2 = DSS2, Regular = all non Directv plus receivers. EG: A-50D, RCA 515, Hughes D-11 RCA 222 ect..

Pluging direct to your receiver will work. AB switch is fine. You cannot combine two LNB's using a diplexer for many reasons one being both LNB's have the same IF ( incoming frequency ) 950 - 1450 it worked for your satellite and cable because cable frequency is 50 - 850, satellite is 950 - 1450.

Turbo2,

Your Directv plus receiver will not be able to switch to G3R automatically, I don't even think it will work manually.

Has anyone received G3R with a Directv plus receiver?

Desert007,

The Directv plus receivers do have transponders restrictions sat 110 transponder 8, 10, 12 sat 119 transponder 21 - 32 so enabling multisat configuration and switching to B or C sat you will not receive transponder 1, 5, 7 on G3R.

I reserve the right to be wrong. :)

[Turbo2]

I'm not too concern getting Ethnic on the DirecTV +, I just want to be able to see HDTV on the DirecTV + HDTV unit, DSS2 Ethnic, and regular unit for regular channels.

I just wish if someone can give me a setup diagram for a 3 dual lnb setup, since the one that came with the RCA 8900 kit is a 2 Dual, and 1 Single LNB setup....

[gunsmoke2]

Turbo2,

The diagram included with the 8900 kit uses a single LNB for Sat C ( 110 ) because it is only using one polarity. Multiswitch's use dual LNB's because each output of the LNB becomes dedicated to a specific polarity.

Since only one polarity is being used fro Sat C, only a single LNB connected to the 18V port is necesaary. So single LNB or dual the results are the same.

I am not quite sure I understand your question.. if I did you wish has just been granted. ?

[Desert007]

Turbo2: Is this what you looking for.

http://desert007.tvheaven.com/Images/d2.gif

Someone e-mailed me whole bunch of pic's regarding the DTV+ setup. I put it on my web for everyone's reference.
Now where you see SAT C thats should be LNB for 110 but i wonder if we can put Ku-lnb and use DSSII receiver after the Switch. Since DTV+ receiver won't work with G3r transponders.
What you think GS2?

Desert007

[This message has been edited by Desert007 (edited 01-28-2000).]

[Turbo2]

That's what I'm wondering...if possibly the KU Band use a single polartiy switch.

MY original idea was to have 2 4x4 22kHz Mutliswitch.

This might be a bit confusing with words...but I'll try my best.

DirecTV (101) LNB output will be called 101A and 101B, KU Band LNB output will be called 95A and 95B, and DirecTV (119) LNB output will be called 119A and 119B

My original diagram was to connect as follow
1) 101A to the 1st multiswitch SatA input. 2) 101B to 2nd multiswitch SatA input.
3) 119A to 2nd multiswitch SatA input.
4) 119B to 2nd multiswitch SatB input.
5) 95A 1st multiswitch SatB input.
6) 95B to 2nd multiswitch SatB.
7) run one wire from 2nd multiswitch output to 1st multiswitch SatA
8) run second wire from 2nd multiswitch output to 1st multiswitch SatB

This should be pretty similar to the setup diagram in the 8900 kit for the single SatC setup.

Anyone want to give this a try ;)

[Turbo2]

Here is the 2nd idea I have

1) 101A & 101B to 2nd multiswitch SatA
2) 119A & 119B to 2nd multiswitch SatB
3) 95A & B to 1st multiswitch Sat A
4) connect 2 wires from 2nd Multiswitch to 1st multiswitch SatB

There are just too many different combination...but those are the ones I think are more appropriate.

Any other suggestions?

[Desert007]

Turbo2: But you need a 22khz switch for 95A like its show in the diagram #2.

Go here and take a look at it.
http://desert007.tvheaven.com/paratosa.html

[This message has been edited by Desert007 (edited 01-28-2000).]

[alexdss]

Hi, can someone give me the diagram for setup a multiswitch 22KHz or where can i find it? I have a new E-11 DTV+ receiver but just 2 ant, not the bigone.
Thanks in advance,
alex,
varios@nettaxi.com

[Turbo2]

When I say 1st and 2nd multiswitch I mean they are ALL 22kHz 4x4 multiswitch.

[gunsmoke2]

alexdss,

You can buy a tone A/B switch.. connect both Sat ( 101 & 119 ) into it..then connect to your DTV + receiver.