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TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY
March 15th, 2001, 02:47 PM
I am just writing to give my opinion on DeeEssEss releasing the code to the HU Loader. This is my opinion, not yours, if you don't like it, that's your problem. Personally, I think that DeeEssEss is a hero for releasing the code, that way it can be worked on and perfected. Everyone that says that Dave is now going to get the code has to be crazy. Why do you think that you can get your hands on an HU Loader and Dave can't, are you crazy? Dave had this stuff before you did. If you can afford $5000, don't you think Dave can? Dave is up in all of these forums, he knows everything you know and more. Dave is probably even frontin like he's some of our friends. Hell, he's even reading this post right now. Shoot, who knows, I might even be him. Dave has a whole department that just goes on the forums like you do researching this stuff.
Now, I dont know why Risestar thinks that DeeEssEss did this to get more hits to his site, especially since his site was already number one before the code was even released. Why would he let his bandwith bill go that high if his site is not a pay site. And, Risestar's claim that he does it to get users to go to his site and click on the Paypal buttons is ridiculous. At least, he gives you the option to DONATE to his efforts instead of FORCING you to pay him for certain services that are offered on his site. And at least his site does not BLOCK you from gaining access at certain times if you did not pay him (does this sound familiar to anyone?).
Now I am sure that there are some very knowledgeable people here, so could someone answer this for me. If Risestar is so concerned about the code being released and says that it will cause major damage, why in God's name would he help to spread the destruction by distributing the file on his own site. Could it be that he wants some more hits to his site or maybe the reason he didn't want it released is because he is greedy and does not want his business to suffer. Maybe he wants us to all pay $5000 for a HU loader. Maybe he doesn't realize that most of us are in this as a hobby and don't have $5000 to throw around because we're not fortunate enough to have a site that charges a yearly fee for access to the information. You say that he released it so he could be first in doing so, so why did you do it, so you could be second? Risestar prefers to say "We were working on it behind the scenes", oh yeah until what, until you had finished making a pile of money, then when you had enough release the code. The argument that Dave is going to hit the cards now because lots of people have the code is crazy. Look at this many people did not have the code, but, lots of people still access to free tv, it's just that you had to pay the dealers those ridiculously high prices for it. Do you think dave cares if you do it yourself or pay a dealer, I DONT THINK SO. Either way you look at it whether we had the code or whether we had to pay, tons of people were still getting free tv and Dave was losing BIGGGGGGG money. Dave was gonna hit sooner or later anyways to get those people off (unless you think he's stupid, maybe you think he is, I DON'T THOUGH!) Besides, Dave has already shown that he is not afraid to hit cards, look at how many legit cards he took out in the Black Sunday hit. What makes you think that he is just going to say "ah let's not hit anymore because these people are not programming their cards themselves, dealers are getting rich doing it, oh well, since it's just a few dealers we'll let them get away with it forever". That's like the police saying "oh, he only stole $20, not $2000, so we won't arrest him" What world do you live in? Mars? LOL.
I am sure that Rise or one of the Admins will delete this post because "THE TRUTH HURTS". And they are not brave enough to respond to this. Even if they do, it will probably be with the same lame a$$ excuses that I just shot down.
I am sorry Rise, but you are gonna have to get used to the fact that information should be free. I hope you're hungry too, because that means you have to eat your words, because right on the front page of your site you state that you created this site because you believe that information should be free. Can I ask you something, can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E or do you know what that is? Aren't we all here, to share information and learn from one another? Well maybe you aren't, I realize that you are here to make money, but I am here for informatin and to learn. I want everyone to remember how high the prices for the Wildthing's used to be until the code was released and clone's came out. Does anyone remember that? All of you were singing praises when those clones came out.
I am sure that there's lots of members right here that will agree with me. Of course I dont expect any of them to openly admit it though for fear of being banned, ignored or flamed. Well, I am not afraid so all of you that don't agree, FLAME ON. Oh yeah and you wan't to know what I think of your opinion?
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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR OPINION IS.

Sooooo all of you BS'ers that don't agree or want to flame me to get in Rise's good books, or because you are greedy too, you can, well unfortunately I can't say it here, but you know what you can do.

LONG LIVE FREE TV AND LONG LIVE PEOPLE LIKE DeeEssEss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



P.S. Feel free to reply if the truth doesn't get to Rise or one of the admins and they delete this post.

P.S.S. DeeEssEss's site is great, I think you guys should check it out. I go there now instead of coming to the hypocrite site (I won't mention what sit the hypocrite site is, but I'm sure we all know).

repoman
March 15th, 2001, 03:01 PM
A loaded gun in the hands of a child is not a good idea. I would like you to host a site that can handle what the den does without a membership fee, and lots of free time. I am also interested in why hackhu is down now.

The den is the only real place of sound information I trust.

TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY
March 15th, 2001, 03:05 PM
I was wondering when somebody that didn't know what the hell they were talking about was gonna reply. How many times have you not been able to get into the den? I know there's been plenty times when I couldn't. I ain't hatin, I just believe in freedom of speech.

TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY
March 15th, 2001, 03:14 PM
You guys better get those reply's in before the admins lock this post.

TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY
March 15th, 2001, 03:19 PM
I'm still waiting for Risestar to reply. Either his lackies haven't told him about this post yet or he's afraid of the truth.

repoman
March 15th, 2001, 03:27 PM
Well dipsh-t, I have never been denied access to the den. I am a PAYING MEMBER, and not too cheap to invest $30.00 in education. Now you failed to educate me on why hackhu is now down. As for you telling me that I dot kow what the hell I am talking about, I have forgot more in this life than you will EVER know. Why don't you just slither away like the vermin scum you are.

TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY
March 15th, 2001, 03:35 PM
Listen you piece of, I wont say it cuz I don't want this post to get locked just yet. Anyways, you don't know who I am or what I know, so you can't tell me that you forgot more than i'll ever know ok. That right there shows just how smart you are. As for being cheap, I didn't say that someone was cheap just because they didn't invest, I was merely pointing out the differences between this site and others sites that offer the same thing for free. Did you read my entire post? What grade level is your reading at? Grade three? And also, I didn't say that I was DeeEssEss, so I don't know why the site is down. I just said there have been times when I couldn't get in here either. If you never had a problem, that's great, I was just pointing out that I couldn't get in on occasions. Read, next time before you run your mouth ok. Reading is an important tool, learn to use it.

JWH
March 15th, 2001, 03:40 PM
I agree with a lot of the points you make, however
I don't agree with the way you are hiding who you are. At the time of this post it says you have 5 posts , and they are all right here, and you registered in March 2001. If you are so familiar with this site where the hell have you been. If you search my posts you will see that I agree with
you about the release of the code, and have stated so under my REAL site name. I am a paying customer and I say what I believe when I think it should be said, and I don't hide behind another name for fear of being banned or exposed. (Everyone already knows I am a pain in the A**). Why don't you get some Ba**s and post your opinions under your real site name. Otherwise they don't carry much weight.
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TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY
March 15th, 2001, 03:49 PM
I am glad to see that we agree on some of those points. The reason I am not using my own name is because no matter how much I don't like some of the comments people here make. I don't claim to and I will never know everything there is to know. I don't think anyone will. Sooner or later I will have to turn to this site for something and I'd rather not have to go through the usual hassle of trying to get something after voicing your opinion. This site is a supposed to promote free speech, but you have to admit that you can and will get flamed, ignored, etc, for having a different opinion. I highly commend you for having the ba!!s to use your real nic though.

JWH
March 15th, 2001, 04:02 PM
Although I have made some statements that have gotten a lot of people mad, not once has this interfered with my getting help from the other members. This is the "Pirates Den" we don't have to like each other, we just need to help each other.
PS. I don't think anyone has ever been banned for stating an honest opinion.
JWH

fiddlerfingers
March 15th, 2001, 04:58 PM
Voice your own opinion anytime you want to just follow the site rules when you do. This thread is in the wrong forum. I will move it to the right one The BS FORUM. Does the name Playa2G ring a bell?...GL

fiddlerfingers
March 15th, 2001, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY
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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR OPINION IS. And we feel the same about your opinion. So next time keep it to yourself. This is my opinion...
When you come here
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What you think about here
What you feel about here
Leave it here
Otherwise don't come back here...GL

2gapa
March 15th, 2001, 06:38 PM
TRUTH - always depends on your point of view.
FREEDOM - is never "free". It often costs you everything.
EQUALITY - Some pigs are more equal than others - George Orwell.

I have not heard anything that idealistic and naive since college. "Greed" and "Self Interest" are 2 of the prime motivating factors programmed into the human animal. Trust me, DeeEssEss did not release the HU hack for you or me, he did it for himself. Look out DeeEssEss, your 15 minutes are almost up.

Captain_Fantastic
March 15th, 2001, 08:41 PM
Who left the door open? Man let me open a window and catch my breath. Welcome to everyone coming over from DR7. You just might have found a new home. But play nice.

zcubed
March 15th, 2001, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY

Now I am sure that there are some very knowledgeable people here, so could someone answer this for me. If Risestar is so concerned about the code being released and says that it will cause major damage, why in God's name would he help to spread the destruction by distributing the file on his own site. Could it be that he wants some more hits to his site or maybe the reason he didn't want it released is because he is greedy and does not want his business to suffer. Maybe he wants us to all pay $5000 for a HU loader. Maybe he doesn't realize that most of us are in this as a hobby and don't have $5000 to throw around because we're not fortunate enough to have a site that charges a yearly fee for access to the information.

If you read the DSS news page, you will see where Risestar himself urges people not to spend $5000.00 for a hu loader. He says why pay it when a week? a month? later a clone can be had for much less. That's not my opinion, that's fact, and it was stated way before any of this hu crap came up. Go read it.

quaddawg
March 15th, 2001, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by JWH
Although I have made some statements that have gotten a lot of people mad, not once has this interfered with my getting help from the other members. This is the "Pirates Den" we don't have to like each other, we just need to help each other.
PS. I don't think anyone has ever been banned for stating an honest opinion.
JWH

Well said JWH.

Alaccountant
March 15th, 2001, 10:03 PM
Firstly, these posts are in the wrong forum. Obviously, you didn't peruse the other forums, they are the real BS forums. This forum is has been a closely kept secret for months, it is the newest high tech forum. The people, in the know, come here for technical advice, psychological advice, whatever, but it surely ends up being a truly educational experience.

Your post reflects a person howling at the moon. How do I know, you ask? Easy, it takes one to know one. When I get in a bad mood, when I get frustrated at having to kiss the rear ends of my clients, when my wife pushes me away, when I loose big bucks in the stock market, when my secretary tells me she is in love with her husband again, when a good client owes me tooooo much, when I feel like hearing myself say nothing, I get in a bad mood and howl to the moon, cause nobody else cares to hear it.

The theory of why someone releases private intellectual property, why white collar people de-fraud the companies they work for, why politicians take bribes, is really boring reading, just like this post is.

In the future, please post this boring, non-technical stuff in the members area forum, called "members comments", it certainly does not belong here.

Al (this post was left so that you will feel like I did, when I read yours, really bored and dis-interested)

milogone
March 15th, 2001, 10:36 PM
Why would someone engage a lessor opponent?

bandit73
March 15th, 2001, 11:10 PM
Milogone: And on that Note,
Nuff Said. Lol

Paramedic
March 16th, 2001, 12:27 AM
PS - TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY you are correct, no one else's opinion is any more, or less, "correct" that yours. That's why they're called opinions.

My point? Yes, I have one. That being said, if you believe in your opinion, stand up for it... right or wrong Playa2G you'll be the better man for it.

The Mod who so kindly posted above was correct:

TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY = Playa2G

...just in case anyone was interested. I support free speech 110%, as does this site. I also support standing up for what you believe in.

Happy Hacking.

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poolnet
March 16th, 2001, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by Alaccountant
Firstly, these posts are in the wrong forum. Obviously, you didn't peruse the other forums, they are the real BS forums. This forum is has been a closely kept secret for months, it is the newest high tech forum. The people, in the know, come here for technical advice, psychological advice, whatever, but it surely ends up being a truly educational experience.

Your post reflects a person howling at the moon. How do I know, you ask? Easy, it takes one to know one. When I get in a bad mood, when I get frustrated at having to kiss the rear ends of my clients, when my wife pushes me away, when I loose big bucks in the stock market, when my secretary tells me she is in love with her husband again, when a good client owes me tooooo much, when I feel like hearing myself say nothing, I get in a bad mood and howl to the moon, cause nobody else cares to hear it.

The theory of why someone releases private intellectual property, why white collar people de-fraud the companies they work for, why politicians take bribes, is really boring reading, just like this post is.

In the future, please post this boring, non-technical stuff in the members area forum, called "members comments", it certainly does not belong here.

Al (this post was left so that you will feel like I did, when I read yours, really bored and dis-interested)

Thank you. Well said!

wannano6
March 16th, 2001, 05:54 AM
Hmmm......got kinda quiet didn't it~

Muggles
March 16th, 2001, 05:59 AM
Yep.... Amazing ain't it. Mouthy when they think they are unknown. But when you strum the right chords, they shut up.

robleemn
March 16th, 2001, 07:35 AM
Although this thread initiator brings up points I'd like to see further discussion on from the pros in the den, I can't help but heed milogone's adivce. The initiator seems like a punk in diapers. imho

kboy1
March 16th, 2001, 08:37 AM
Way Too Cool!!! shut that guy up muy quickly!! codes been released, oh well, just gonna make it all a little more interesting.

crzywhtboy
March 16th, 2001, 08:49 AM
huh, where did he go???Just one question...how many hu cards has he programmed since the hack was released? Probably still watching tv using his emulator like the rest of us. No one is saying DeeEssEss is not a smart guy/boy. Just not real resposible with the code. I would not now or before the release use an hu card because enough is not known about them at this time. I like my tv and want to continue watching it. He should have waited for more to be known about the card, thats all!!Lets say you program 100 cards for your friends...get them used to watching free tv and POOF no more tv...your phone would ring off the hook and you cant do a thing for them. All cause you want to be the man. You aint the man...you're IRRESONSIBLE. All we want to do is watch tv...and continue to do so. He's a reckless little kid with a big gun shooting blanks.

cerberus
March 16th, 2001, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by JWH
Although I have made some statements that have gotten a lot of people mad, not once has this interfered with my getting help from the other members. This is the "Pirates Den" we don't have to like each other, we just need to help each other.
PS. I don't think anyone has ever been banned for stating an honest opinion.
JWH


And with that JWH...just as you and I have always done when we communicate within the den...we always use our real user names with honest opinions between two parties without hiding behind a false name.

cerberus


[yellow]If you cannot tell your true beliefs...
without using a false name...
then whatever you have to say...
isn't worth listening too...[/color]

Angel29
March 16th, 2001, 11:42 AM
[yellow]If you cannot tell your true beliefs...
without using a false name...
then whatever you have to say...
isn't worth listening too...[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]



Very Very Well said. In my opinion at least.

mascdr
March 16th, 2001, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by TRUTH_FREEDOM_EQUALITY
I'm still waiting for Risestar to reply. Either his lackies haven't told him about this post yet or he's afraid of the truth.


Maybe Rise is confused and doesn't know who to respond too. Next time you ask for someones reply, you shouldn't hide behind a bogus screen name. If you feel that strongly about your opinion then don't hide, post, then run.

crownvic
March 16th, 2001, 04:11 PM
I was wondering where this post disappeared to..LOL.
I was not going to add any fuel to this Idiots fire,it pretty much seemed like he was replying to himself anyway.
Gotta be some lonely folks out there :D.
Cyaa Vic..

excursion
March 17th, 2001, 08:28 AM
well said, "truth,...". I also believe it will become a more interesting hobbie.