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r0f
April 27th, 2001, 05:14 PM
Well.. GWL received an email from me today with this story attached. I hope they have a few good lawyers.

The Globe and Mail

Monday, April 16, 2001

Stop snooping on your employees - Privacy commissioner says confidential e-mail is a right

VIRGINIA GALT

TORONTO -- Employees have a "fundamental, inherent right" to privacy
in the workplace, and this includes the right to private e-mail, says
federal Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski.

"Most of us would agree that an employer would have no business
randomly or routinely pawing through the desk drawers of employees,
and examining whatever happens to be there. What makes the contents
of a computer any different?"

This runs counter to the belief of many employers, who say that
because they own the equipment, they have an unlimited right to
peruse the contents, Mr. Radwanski notes. "This is wrong."

The immense capacity of technology to capture and log any transaction
conducted on a computer raises enormous privacy concerns that
legislators are just now moving to address. It has implications for
both employers -- who say they have a duty to guard against Internet
abuse -- and employees, who don't want to feel like Big Brother is
always watching over them.

Technological advances notwithstanding, the privacy commissioner says
employees do not lose their right to privacy just because an employer
tells them "not to expect any privacy."

The establishment of legal and acceptable limits is all the more
important given that many major employers now have the means to
electronically monitor their work force, he said in an interview from
his Ottawa office, where he oversees compliance with the new Personal
Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act.

"A lot of employers . . . want to monitor employees' e-mail and Web
use because they're concerned about employees' time-wasting. I don't
think the potential justifies this," he said at a conference in
Toronto, organized by the University of Toronto's Centre for
Industrial Relations and legal publisher Lancaster House Publishing.

"If there's a real problem, if there is a reason to suspect abuse,
that's different. You can address that in a less privacy-invasive way
than monitoring everyone," he said in a forceful speech aimed at
clarifying the intent of the law.

The new federal privacy law pertaining to electronic documents, which
took effect Jan. 1, stipulates that an organization may collect, use
or disclose personal information "only for purposes that a reasonable
person would consider appropriate." Mr. Radwanski, who has the
authority to investigate and refer breaches of the act to the Federal
Court of Canada, says "random snooping" through employees' e-mail
boxes is clearly a breach.

The law applies to federally regulated industries such as banking,
telecommunications, broadcasting and interprovincial transportation.

Mr. Radwanski predicted that the law will soon provide the framework
for similar provincial privacy provisions.

Mr. Radwanski's speech set the stage for a rousing debate at the
conference, which drew industrial relations specialists from both the
labour and management sides.

Management representatives argued that they should be able to use the
tools at their disposal to protect against employee theft, fraud or
unauthorized distribution of "commercially sensitive material."
Electronic monitoring can also uncover e-mail and Internet abuse,
such as the transmission of harassing e-mail messages or the
downloading of pornography.

Bell Canada lawyer Suzanne Morin said company-provided Internet
access "is a privilege, not a right."

The telephone utility, a unit of Montreal-based BCE Inc., permits and
encourages employees to "surf the Net" for personal use, as long as
it does not interfere with job performance and employees do not
violate company policy, Ms. Morin said.

Bell keeps a log of all computer activity, she said, but does not
delve into the content unless there has been a complaint about a
possible breach of company policy. Allegations of fraud, theft,
---ual or racial harassment will be investigated, Ms. Morin said.

Mr. Radwanski declined to comment on specific company policies but
said that he has "no problem" with employers conducting targeted
investigations into suspected policy violations or illegal activity.

Labour lawyer Lorne Richmond, of the Toronto firm Sack Goldblatt
Mitchell, said he is concerned employers will "hide behind" the legal
requirement that they maintain harassment-free workplaces to conduct
widespread electronic surveillance. Arbitrators have restricted the
rights of employers to place employees under video surveillance, he
noted.

The privacy commissioner dismissed the notion that harassment can
only be tracked and stopped through electronic monitoring. Employers
can only be held liable if they have not exercised "due diligence" to
prevent it, he said.

"Get yourself a good harassment policy," he advised employers, and
make sure employees are aware of the acceptable limits of e-mail and
Internet use on company time.

"You're not going to get dinged for liability because you refused to
treat all your employees like suspects and install computer
monitoring software."

Appointed in November to a seven-year term, Mr. Radwanski, a former
journalist, author and public policy researcher, said the
technological revolution has made privacy "the defining issue of this
new decade." Snooping can't be stopped, so "we have to impose our own
limits."

RedSkull
April 29th, 2001, 08:53 AM
- Un-needed negative comments edited. -

For the record, R0f is just a system admin on that other site, not the owner.

[Edited by RiseStar on May 1st, 2001 at 08:24 PM]

April 29th, 2001, 10:59 AM
r0f, transmitting large encrypted files (by your own admission) was a red flag to your employer's IT department and internal security honchos that could not be ignored. They could probably successfully argue that your actions went well beyond "reasonable" usage of their network, even if your former employer usually tolerates limited personal email activity. If you choose to respond, spare us the abusive obscenity-laden colorful metaphor flames you like to embellish your posts with over at "hak-who" forums where you apparently preside in some official capacity.

r0f
April 29th, 2001, 09:22 PM
Some of you people are weak-minded. I speak in harsh words because I know it gets to you.

As for ------, we use linux. As for it being "homo", I don't see how that really makes any sense. What does a satellite site have to do with having anal --- between two males? Are you still in junior high?

Stand up for your rights. You all have them, despite what some of you may think. If you keep going on with your passive ways, eventually you will all be sheep.

I don't post here to bring traffic to ------. I respect Risestar and his site, and treat him with the same respect as the rest of you that have a clue. While I'm on this ------ subject, I want to clear up a few things..

I am ------'s server administrator. This means that I configure the hardware and software resources that make up "------" and "------forums". I am not involved in producing any of the content, nor do I always share the same opinions as the webmaster of that site. There's not too many other admins that can brag they've worked on sites with such large amounts of traffic, with no security problems to date. It's good experience, and it lets me apply my UNIX security background to good use.

Thanks guys,

Shaun Willingham
aka r0f

ed12
April 29th, 2001, 11:28 PM
get off rof's cloud
dont you c he just pointed to a few wrongs in this world..
well i dont get the bitterness,
i do get what he's saying..
sum it up its easy
fall alseep at the switch and get a
:nazi star:
get the point???
i did it was easy...and before you ask yes i work
in the ip field.
his posts hit home to me
lay-off
and bravo rof for posting...it made for some of the
most interesting i have read to date.:):)
regards
ed

RedSkull
April 30th, 2001, 02:44 PM
Several points:

1. I use the username "pawn" on several other sites. Unfortunately, is was already taken at the 'Den. I'm not hiding.

2. Rights are in the eye of the beholder. r0F was working for a very sensitive industry. They have every RIGHT to want full control over what is done with their equipment. I'll say it again: go home and encrypt your E-Mail.

Furthemore, it sounded to me like they gave r0F every opportunity to back down and he stuck to his guns. Those of us that don't live in our parents basement realize that compromise is an everyday part of life. r0F could have given in and fought the system from the inside.

3. The flaming nature of my posts reflects my absolute awe of the audacity of a person who kicks off a topic in the area of human rights and censors (i.e., deletes) my posts, presumably because I embarrassed him by correcting his grammar, only because he decided to attack another poster about his spelling and grammar. Hack-something or other is known (not just by me) for this elitist, and I feel unbelievably c h i c k e n s h i t, practice.

4. To the person who mentioned Nazi above: Big Brother comes from the left far more often than the right. George Orwell hated Communists, not Nazis.

virginh
April 30th, 2001, 11:02 PM
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r0f
May 1st, 2001, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by RedSkull
Several points:

Furthemore, it sounded to me like they gave r0F every opportunity to back down and he stuck to his guns. Those of us that don't live in our parents basement realize that compromise is an everyday part of life. r0F could have given in and fought the system from the inside.



You still can't read, can you?

1. I live on my own, and pay all of my own bills. (Didn't you notice I mentioned my apartment in the story? You are dense)

2. I gave them the option of having me decrypt selective emails (at their request) but they didn't take me up on my offer. This would've kept my key private, but satisfied their interests.

r0f

RiseStar
May 2nd, 2001, 12:49 AM
C'mon people.

R0f is the system admin on the other site, no one's perfect, we all have our strenghts and weaknesses.

Whats may or may not have happened on that other site is not relevant here on this topic at all, so let's drop the flame fest shall we :)

RedSkull
May 8th, 2001, 02:24 PM
I find it very relevant to point out that r0F is not the model victim he purports himself to be. In my oft' repeated paraphrase of another poster, he is smug. I see it...his former employer saw it.

Also, whether he is merely the system admin or not, he was responsible for at least some of the censoring actions on his (falling in popularity fast) web site.

RiseStar: BTW, he is kissing your ass now because he needs a job.

May 8th, 2001, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by RedSkull
RiseStar: BTW, he is kissing your ass now because he needs a job.

I suspect you're closer to truth than whimsy on that one! ;)