DirecTV Canada???? What Gives?

[Mazrim Taim]

I am a Canadian,
I live in Canada, and happily watch free Legal american TV (at the moment anyhow).
Well watching my subscribed(cough) canadian Dish XView,
during a commercial for the PGA Kemper Insurance Open, Final round on sunday 27/05 at approx 4:00 a commercial for Directv Canada was aired? Has DTV finally gotten the rights to broadcast in Canada, and if so, where will this leave the test communinty. This is a shock to me seeing a DTV canada, or perhaps is it going to be a completely different company setup, another BIRD etc....
I checked the DirecTv homepage and can find nothing about it. If anyone can shed some light on this for me, I'd appreciate it, as it could cause legal implications, if DTV expands to Canada.
Thankyou for your time.
Regards,

[spacely]

i hope it is a canadian dtv so i can watch legal tv in the usa.

[ftwfred]

Wouldn't it be great if there "Became" a Canadian DTV and thier "Footprint" hit the U.S.!!! Americans could not subscribe and thier signal here would be considered "Trash" or Leftovers for the U.S. to hack......LOL




I don't see it happenin'.............

[Mazrim Taim]

Perhaps you didn't understand,
It's not if it will happen, there are already Canadian commercials broadcasting it. Its coming, and perhaps it will change the rules on testing. That's what i was trying to get at, any thoughts on the legality issues, informed thoughts only of course.
That's why I opened this thread. i am a concerned Canadian, however it would be sweet, if i could go to my local K-mart and buy a unit for $79.00.
As far as being able to get free T.V. in America, you guys can always get Expressview, and hell, they sell charlies stuff in you stores. So why wait.
Regards,

[gunsmoke2]

They are NOT in Canada and very doubtful that will ever happen.

The commercial is for DTV and ExpressPuke is probably running of a US feed or stealing one.. they already got caught cheating by showing unauthorized adult channels and are so stupid they are probably advertizing their competition.

GS2

[Mazrim Taim]

Gunsmoke,
No disrepsect, but with the current talk of merging with Dish thinking of buying DTV(possibly a rumour, not too sure?) it would possibly be a smart move, 100% of the U.S. market, now moving into canadian market, as well as possibly put a dent in the testing community by making such Canadian based sites like this illegal. It would be smart. As far as those "unautorized" adult channel, I was under the impression(and I think I'm accurate) that the one was a bondage channel, and the other similiar and that is why they were removed due to complaints for the types of film.(I could be wrong)
The ads weren't for Directv itself, it stated Directv Canada. I can't imagine them stealing Directv and planning on broadcasting it. They weren't stealing a feed, it was DirecTv CANADA.
Regards,

[William37]

Food for thought for sure. lets see if they except the echo deal and then go from there. They will announce it this week if it fly's. I do believe they have a time table after it is leaked that they have to announce or be penalized by the securities commission.

[Mazrim Taim]

Will, thanks for the update on that. It is appreciated, but I think yo r right, at this point we'll see. Time will tell how these car s are laid.
I shoud change my name to Anti-DTVCA. Stay outta my YARD DAVE ESPECIALLY IF YOUR GONNA DO IT LEGALLY!!!!!!!
Regar s,

[dssturbed]

i think the ad yo are referring to is the internet that expressvu is advertising on tv right now talking about direct-pc...not directv

[Steamer1]

They can merge all they want, that does not give them the right to move into the controlled Canadian market. Thatawill require a major change inagovernment policy, and the Feds are not about to quit protecting BEV and *choice. Maybe withathe grey market courtawins, DTV is going to go after Canadian subscriptions openly. DTV tried years ago to get into Canada and that didn't fly, I think that was PowerDirect.

In the meantime, I've got a 1 meter dish protecting my yar from DTV's signal.

[gunsmoke2]

No disrespect but there is NO DIRECTV CANADA... and don't think that Directv US will be allowed to broadcast into Canada as they need a license by the CRTC and that won't happen. Yes it was PowerDirect who had a license by the CRTC to broadcast the *same* ---- as Pukeview or Star----s

The adult films were NOT authorized by the CRTC and they got caught red handed.

Merging DTV and Echo has nothing to do with Canada.

Both are in lawsuits( USSB now DTV ) pending since 1998 with Wic Premium TV filing the lawsuit in Alberta against them for knowling participating in the Canadian market. do you really think there is DTV Canada with no license and a major lawsuit against them probably back by the Liberal Government in bed with them.

GS2


BTW ExpressPuke uses US feeds all the time that advertizes Directv *NOT* Directv Canada.. just call them if you want to verify[Edited by gunsmoke2 on May 28th, 2001 at 02:48 PM]

[William37]

More pockets to line. You would think by know that dtv would have figured out that they could just bribe their way in oooops nope that was with the mulnuts when he was in power. I think in time we will see a change to the act. Lets face the facts our government has bent over before and will again when the right pressure is applied. They bend over for Quebec and we get the shaft so whats one more. We get the shaft with softwood prices,oil,gas, commercial fishing whats one more for the list. If Ottawa ever got their heads out of there asses we would actually have a real dollar to spend. Is this out of topic I don't think so there will be changes and there are talks going on right now but thankfully politicians are long winded and full of crap so we still have awhile yet.

[Mazrim Taim]

I know what you are talking about Gunsmoke, and I understand about DirectPc. The AD was DIRECTV Canada. It stated Canada. i have no idea what this is about, and I am asking. This is the first time I have seen this ad, it is new, and said coming soon. I didn't start this thread to be told that I saw a DTV ad on stolen feed or the DirectPc through Bell, it was a DIRECTV CANADA ad. So no more it was a DTV feed ad or it was A direct PC through bell, now you all know that It was a DTV CANADA ad, I know a few other people who have seen this ad, it is a new ad, and we are curious, and are bringing the question to light.....
Regards,

Mazrim, have you seen any subsequent airings of the ad? Personally I think you may be on to something, but commerical interests on this forum are going to react hysterically to anything suggesting that DirecTV may have done an end run around the ambiguous wording of your country's RCA. Just let it play out. We'll all know soon enough.

considering d@# is losing court decision's,and statement's from the judge's from ttrk's thread on his success indicate that they have no ground's or validity.

i'd say d@# has some major decision's to make,if they don't succeed after they've appealed everything and lose.

what are there goal's??????
and from there;
what are there option's??????

these ?'s have probably been hashed and rehashed by the suit's.

i don't think you can dismiss the possibilty that they might attempt to aquire an authorized broadcaster/satellite company.

this is a big company with deep pocket's and a lot of influential connection's.

if there 1st goal is to stop/discourage the legal availability of the h/w,s/w and info to circumvent there system;

they'll way the cost/benifit, of all the option's/solution's

they don't get any revenue from canadian's, there's no financial loss or gain to stop canadian's from accessing there signal;however if they want to reduce or eliminate the source's of info and h/w,to stop/discourage other's ,where it is illegal to use the h/w,s/w and info,like in the u.s.

it's a business decision based on the cost and benifit's they would gain from buying the access and the legal hurdle's and cost to establish the necessary right's to be able to make it illegal to sell anything or give info out in canada.


is the cost worth discouraging/stopping the hobby/testing market?

in reality there will be people selling what there trying to stop by going where it's legal, even if they stop it in canada.

how much revenue will they pick up if they closed most of the source's of h/w etc..,from those who there shutting out??

pushing people into there revenue stream is the only place they'll gain that show's up on there financial report's and prospectus.that mean's something to there stockholder's and share value.

do these people have other option's,like cable or other sat provider?

put your swammy hat on and figure how many people will actually sub from them vs there other choice's,then calculate that into a guesstimate on additional revenue,then weigh that against all the cost if they're able to buy into the canadian system and make it illegal there .


it doesn't make sense to me to spend big money and go out on a limb for something you can only guess at.

but seeing as no one know's what they know i think they could do it.

[gunsmoke2]

Didn't say it was a stolen US feed.. where do you think they get their feeds for US programming. Didn't say it was DirectPc either.. did however say there was no Directv Canada and still say that. The only way they will get around the RCA is if we win at the supreme Court of Canada which will only make an existing Grey flourish perhaps. And if they win their lawsuit against Wic Premium TV.

GS2

Originally posted by Mazrim Taim
I know what you are talking about Gunsmoke, and I understand about DirectPc. The AD was DIRECTV Canada. It stated Canada. i have no idea what this is about, and I am asking. This is the first time I have seen this ad, it is new, and said coming soon. [yellow] I didn't start this thread to be told that I saw a DTV ad on stolen feed or the DirectPc through Bell, it was a DIRECTV CANADA ad.[/color] So no more it was a DTV feed ad or it was A direct PC through bell, now you all know that It was a DTV CANADA ad, I know a few other people who have seen this ad, it is a new ad, and we are curious, and are bringing the question to light.....
Regards,

try to understand that perception's and comprehension you intended are going to be misinterpeted or misperceived by some.

some comment's won't have any relevance or support,etc..,it's nice but it's not a requirement to reply or comment here.

you were very detailed and explicit in your opening post,you reiterated above that you clearly saw what you stated originally,above.

some people were trying to say that maybe you misread the info, etc. i don't think the comment's i've read bashed/discredited/or otherwise were critical.

based on what they know they made that reply.

you can expect anything you want,but be prepared to get stuff you don't expect.your asking a ?,right?

even if you had a track record/reputation/credibility here,what you are saying you saw,would still lead to the same type of comment's,and question's.

since your confidant you didn't misread the ad,and made it clear above,then just wait and see where it lead's.

if d@# were coming into canada,you'd see a full media blitz to create awareness,and there would probably be some new's coverage of it if they were doing any advertising.
don't you think?

i mean, i personally feel that if ther's no new's or media press release's then i would think maybe you misread what you saw.

can you understand that?

the comment/opinion is not personal it's just a comment based on expieriece/knowledge and reasoning in view of the evidence.

have a good one[Edited by EAO on May 29th, 2001 at 11:23 PM]

[Andrew8468]

I have also seen the DirecTV Canada ad this past weekend on CFMT. I didn't see all of it but I think it is a gray market satellite retailer with a local Toronto number on the screen.

[gunsmoke2]

Now that makes more sense because there is a dealer in Ontario who owns the name Directv Canada. DTV in the US tried to buy it and the dealer would not sale it.

GS2

[ftwfred]

It looks like that GS2 has it pegged...... A Canadian company advetising ITS name..............


ftwfred

[Mazrim Taim]

Thankyou all for your opinions, I understand what was siad, and I did not mean to make it sound like I was offended by people telling me what I saw when I clearly stated otherwise. I was bringing this to light so that a reasonable answer such as posted by Andrew8468, could be posted. I apologize to Gunsmoke if I came off rude by saying what I did, I came of wrong in that post. I' glad that I have a reasonable answer now. It was all I was looking for,
Regards,

Originally posted by Mazrim Taim
Thankyou all for your opinions, I understand what was siad, and I did not mean to make it sound like I was offended by people telling me what I saw when I clearly stated otherwise. I was bringing this to light so that a reasonable answer such as posted by Andrew8468, could be posted. I apologize to Gunsmoke if I came off rude by saying what I did,[yellow] I came of wrong in that post.[/color] I' glad that I have a reasonable answer now. It was all I was looking for,
Regards,


we all write thing's that come off wrong or are not Perceived as we intended. the above highlight and your other commentary show's ,you can be objective to criticism,and aren't afraid to say your wrong.
with that, and your ability to articulate your point clearly,i'm sure you'll be a credit to the membership here.



glad everything turned out well,[Edited by EAO on May 31st, 2001 at 07:31 PM]