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SatMedic
June 22nd, 2001, 04:38 PM
http://www.dr7.com/


Are You Responsible for What People Say on Your Site?

(June 21, 2001) One week ago, on June 13, 2001, TechTV interviewed Mr. Masato Hayakawa, an Attorney-at-Law with Morrison & Foerster LLP, San Francisco. The topic was Are You Responsible for What People Say on Your Site?

That presentation has created for me, and should instill in others, a true concern for the implications of law and recent reinterpretation of the culpability for Members of any discussion groups.

In this interview Mr. Hayakawa discussed the liability of forums, chatrooms and its members, for the material discussed on their sites. He indicated that such websites may violate intellectual property laws.

This implies that any site, and its individual members, can be held liable for what they post, create or publicly discuss. Immunity under the Communications Decency Act (CDA) may not apply to a site and its Members.

My attorney became concerned with this interpretation, and he recommended that I close DR7.com. After lengthy discussion and consideration of alternatives, yesterday I began the closing DR7.com.

Closing of DR7.com and Appreciation:

As DR7.com closes, I wanted to express my appreciation and admiration for members and friends who have been with me this past six years. From them I have learned a great deal about technology, and I shall sorely miss my online interactions all of you. From those who were unable to enjoy the site, I also learned a great deal about life itself and how badly they needed to find one of their own.

If you are due a membership refund, please contact I-Bill.com, or if you used Web900, please contact your telephone carrier.

Rational Thought:

I fully realize, anticipate and understand that while there will be support, there will also be broad discussion, cynicism, skepticism, criticism and speculation regarding this decision.

You may find many of these interpretations to be intriguing, exciting, provocative or even absurd, but they will certainly be entertaining. There will be theories of conspiracy, deal making, buy-outs and specious data presented as "fact." We have all read them in the past with amusement...and sometimes amazement.

Adventurous fiction always attracts more interest than mundane fact. If, however, you read the following, you will be better informed, and you will understand why I have reached this decision.

The Law:

This is the substance of Mr. Hayakawa's discussion and its implications:

In 1996, Congress enacted the Communications Decency Act (CDA). Section, 47 U.S.C. §230(c)(1), which reads in part:

Treatment of publisher or speaker:

Under the CDA, the operator of an online message board would not be treated as a publisher or speaker of defamatory comments posted by another person. Thus, they should be immune from liability for publication -- or speech-based claims such as defamation.

However, operators of interactive computer services are not immune from violations of intellectual property laws or criminal laws. So, while message board operators may (see below) have immunity against defamation claims based on a libelous statement by a user, they would not have immunity against a copyright or other intellectual property claim if that same user instead posted pirated songs, software or tools and information which violates intellectual property protection.

Also, in jurisdictions outside the United States, particularly in Europe, recent legal developments indicate that operators of message boards may not be immune and may actually be liable for defamatory comments made by others that are posted on their system

The DMCA:

On October 12, 1998, the U.S. Congress passed the Digital Millennium Copyright Act:
Highlights Generally:

Makes it a crime to circumvent anti-piracy measures built into most commercial software.
Outlaws the manufacture, sale, or distribution of code-cracking devices used to illegally copy software.
Does permit the cracking of copyright protection devices, however, to conduct encryption research, assess product interoperability, and test computer security systems.
Provides exemptions from anti-circumvention provisions for nonprofit libraries, archives, and educational institutions under certain circumstances.
In general, limits Internet service providers from copyright infringement liability for simply transmitting information over the Internet.
Service providers, however, are expected to remove material from users' web sites that appears to constitute copyright infringement.
Case in Point:

(As an example) U. S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan issued a preliminary injunction ordering Corley to remove the "DeCSS" software from his Web site, finding that publishing the software likely violated the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) of 1998. Under the act, it is illegal for anyone to provide to the public or traffic in a device designed to bypass encrypted copyright-protected work. DeCSS reverses the effects of the Content Scramble System (CSS) used to encrypt many DVD discs.

Corley complied with the injunction and removed the DeCSS code. But he then linked to more than 300 other sites where the program was available, and encouraged others to link to these sites as well. The MPAA asserts that by adding links to other sites, Corley subverted the intent of the injunction, and that the links he created on the 2600.com Web site also violate the DMCA.

Everyone interacting in internet bulletin boards needs to consider these rulings, actions and implications. For me personally, my decision became clear.

Again, my appreciation to loyal friends and members and know that we shall see each other soon. In the interim, I wish the best to all of you.

- Allen Menard, formerly DR7

gunsmoke2
June 23rd, 2001, 12:54 AM
What KAKA reasons :)


Bye Bye DR7 ;)


GS2

GhostDog
June 23rd, 2001, 03:50 AM
Cool avatars both of you...

dime

ccds
June 23rd, 2001, 07:17 AM
I think its good to see him go.....
he was doing more harm than good to the hobby over the last year. especially with the E* stunts he was pulling and thought no one new about it. He was his own worst enemy.

Its a shame to see people like him go from the best to the worst in such a short time. I am sure he will be missed but all the GOOD people are here anyway.

bye DR7.........

RiseStar
June 23rd, 2001, 12:47 PM
Onwards and upward I guess...

Justin
June 23rd, 2001, 03:57 PM
As DR7 was Canadian based, (not US nor Euro which is where the legal problems are) I think his involvement with E* is the real reason for the decline of his forums which began when he gave his site a new look and replaced all references to DTV and E* with thigs like "Dreckware", and ECMs with "service interuptions" The writing has been on the wall for a while. Sorry to see him go but as Risestar knows this is the best site out there. :)

DAMMAD
June 23rd, 2001, 10:53 PM
Bye Bye DR7. We all know who took care of your site and know what you did in return.

DR7 did a self distruct and blames it on other things, but we all know where the blame rests.

RiseStar
June 24th, 2001, 12:58 AM
The reason he quoted are not only invalid, they are also a flimsy excuse.

The fact of the matter is that DR7 was the primary guy that was programming all the Echo 3m cards and he also knowingly sold them into the USA and that is why he is under investigation, not because of that bunk he printed on his site.

This is a true information site, we do not program and sell cards to people behind the scenes so whatever happens over there is because he made a choice and now he has to live with it, for better or for worse.

jheron
June 25th, 2001, 02:06 PM
RiseStar: BUNK... hehe...cough,,cough... havent heard that for a while! :) I miss the west ;)

To The Real King!!
July 27th, 2001, 03:48 AM
Hi Guys,

DR7 ran a proper and exceptional site for several years until the greed got the better of him personally. There was a time when his site was really number one but that time has long gone and the past is none too soon forgotton.

The excuses that were posted on his site when he left were very weak, self serving and hypocritical.

In fact DR7 actually did what he falsly accused many others of doing only he did it in a underhanded and devious manner while he used his SITE to hide his true motives.

Remember that his site was a great one at one time BECAUSE of the MEMBERS, not because of him. When he took the illegal actions of selling a product (Echo) that in my opinion is illegal in Canada (as it COULD decode the signal of ExpressVu , a lawful distributor) which infringes 9 1 (c) of the RC Act, the Dollar$$$ Signs "Ka Ching, Ka Ching, Ka Ching" of that magical cash register caused HIM to compromise everything for the almighty buck.

But now, TODAY, THIS is the number one site on the Internet and the Integrity of RISESTAR has caused all the members here to come together as a community and cause a REALLY GREAT SITE to rise out of its early humble beginnings many years ago. The PEOPLE have not changed that much but the SITE has improved continuously and much more integrity than any previous site and just the right mix that we all can enjoy.

To me, its an honour to be a member here with so many other members as good old friends. And it is integrity, and a strong belief in "Freedom of Expression" that keeps it that way under the able and meaningful tutorage of Risestar who gives us an ethical platform to INTERCHANGE information on. Lets all fight HARD on the SUPREME COURT BATTLE to ENSURE that it stays this wayhttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif

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To The REAL King!!
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