Can the U.S.test Expresvue

[ICEBURG]

We Canadians can test DTV and it is no longer a crime,
Can The U.S. Test Canadian Sat's. As they are not licenced to operate in the U.S. Just a Thought.
Iceburg.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Iceberg,

We know that many dealers are selling ExpressVu into the states for 2 reasons.

(1) It is a way to get all the networks since there is no requirement in Canada to demonstrate anything.

(2) many French speaking Canadians in the Ft. Lauderdale area used to subscribe to ExpressVu although now I understand they mostly use hacked cards.

Its not clear if either is legal but for sure Expressvu do not have a lisence to sell in the USA. That law may also not be clear and I do not think it has ever been tested in a court yet.

Its interesting that their signal is apparently crystal clear in Ft Lauderdale which is a very long way from the Canadian border and must be broadcast there on purpose, in my opinion. Its hard tyop call that "spil over".

Spillover is when your neighbor waters her lawn and some of that water spills over on to the next door property.

This is luke when the neighbor waters his lawn and it spills a little water on his neighbor some 40 miles south of him in a different city :)

Not quite "spill over".

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[ICEBURG]

Thanks TTRK for your response. I Know for a fact that Expressvue is spilled into the US from LA to Miami.
This is an interesting concept If it is totally illegal for US Residents to test DTV or Dish. Why don't they test Expresvue Its pattern covers the continental USA The Expresvue Sat has all the us networks on it, and pay per vu.
Hell I would test it if I lived there. I would not do it in Canada as it very illegal.
Iceburg.
[Edited by ICEBURG on June 25th, 2001 at 09:54 AM]

[To The Real King!!]

Sorry Everyone,

This post was completely out of context and was intended for postingin a different forum. Some how I goofed and posted it here where it makes no sense at all.


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[fastbreak]

Originally posted by To The Real King!!
What is it with you guys.

Look if you have a product in the USA that will decode the DirecTV® signal, its illegal.

I hope you do not expect to hear someone tell you truthfully that its not illegal. Where are you going with this.



This topic is NOT about decode DirecTV signal in the USA.

Look at the subject. It's about unauthorized decoding of Bell ExpressVu, a ***CANADIAN*** service, in the ***U.S.A.***. "Unauthorized" as opposed to a grey market subscription using a Canadian address.

TTRK, you obviously don't know the answer, so instead you answer a totally irrelevant question -- unauthorized decoding of DirecTV in the U.S.A.

As far as hacking BEV in the U.S.A., I've heard conflicting answers. One side says that unauthorized decoding of signals is illegal in the U.S., regardless of the original of the signal. Another side basically uses the Canadian argument: service is not available in the U.S., thus it's not against the law.

[chipdoo]

I was a bit curious about this myself! And I found the answer I was looking for..... It seems like its in the air, that theres really nothing to go by......

TTRK, I think Iceburg was just trying to make a statement as to why US people would want to get Dave or Charlie Illegally, when they can test XVu....
Its sought of reversing the Canadian situation....

Kind of interesting though!! lol
Thanks all,
-Chip

[gunsmoke2]

I don't think it has been tested in court in the US and until that happens I don't think anyone could answer it. Not sure what law or violation is available to test the waters as I am not familiar with US laws.

It only came to the test in Canada when expresspuke and star----s found an opening to use. It only happened regarding the reception of US signals in Canada when the two companies started.

Although contested in law it is only a financial protection and meant to kill the competition. I don't think expresspuke can ever threatened financial interests of either DTV or Echo in the US.


GS2

[fastbreak]

Hacking BEV is far from the biggest hacking of foreign
signals in the U.S. I think hacking of the Mexican
systems is a much more serious problem. For starter, there
is no program broker to provide brokerage services for
the Mexican systems, as opposed to the numerous program
brokers in Canada.

You'll see GLA bringing GLA hackers in the U.S. to American
courts long before BEV doing so to BEV hackers. GLA is an
American business (majority owner is DirecTV), BEV is not.

[dougbs]

Does anyone know where to look for info on hacking BEV.

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Everyone,

You are 100% right and I do not know the answer to the US question but my POST here was to answer a different forum. I has two windows opened and apparently I posted it in the wrong forum.



So I am REALLY sorry, its completely out of context here and looks pretty stupid. I am going to get rid of it since it was NEVER intended to be posted Here in the first place.


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Is there an US site that deals with ExpressVu like the Den deals with Dtv?

[iamcanadian4ever]

Yes, http://www.bellexpressvuhack.com