Customer Databases

[DaKaR]

I was just wondering if anyone new if it was true that whitevipers customers databases were NOT seized? (Per some hack*** website)

Thanks in advanced for your replys

[spikestest]

I found this on a site (see below), but I was wondering if anyone knew what actually happened?

If this is true, it seems that they are specifically after the product. This may be necessary, to find out if selling and owning specific equipment is legal or not, as there are alot of questions about unloopers and bootloaders being legal. Once that is determined, I would say that the database and anyone on it would be subject to seizure (again if it's not already seized). I dont know the law enough to know what happens if you buy something if it is not determined to be illegal, then after a court battle it turns out to be illegal? Maybe these devices are already illegal but no one can tell me for sure it seems.

I for one would like to know more about what happened at whiteviper, any details, like how many customer's are at risk etc. My take is that it's 10000's and not like 20 people on that list.

thx for any info.



On May 25, 2001 DirectTV attorney, Scott Wilsdon and his DTV task force along with Federal Marshalls barged into the WhiteViper facility in California with a Search and Seizure Warrant and confiscated all product.
NO computers or customer information were taken!

WhiteViper is court ordered not to sell or conduct any business whatsoever and must close their website until further notice.

DTV claims that WhiteViper products are designed and sold with the intent to only hack DTV and supposedly had enough evidence to get a judge to sign the order.

What ever happened to Innocent until Proven Guilty?

Anyways, WhiteViper is fighting the charges and we will just have to wait and see what happens here.

DTV has also closed down many other suspected dealers all across the U.S. and continues to put an end to DTV hacking.

Yeah, don't worry. Be happy. Everything is alright.

[suckdss1]

one thing , the virgincleaner in texas .. where i orderd ulpro unlooper .. i checked the labal under the ul pro that is showing signed "Tested by F.C.C"
I know it is legal for educational user only .. i read http://www.fcc.gov it alrights .. how directv stupid to target the dealers data baesd.....

thanks
suckdss1

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On May 25, 2001 DirectTV attorney, Scott Wilsdon and his DTV task force along with Federal Marshalls barged into the WhiteViper facility in California with a Search and Seizure Warrant and confiscated all product.
NO computers or customer information were taken!

WhiteViper is court ordered not to sell or conduct any business whatsoever and must close their website until further notice.

DTV claims that WhiteViper products are designed and sold with the intent to only hack DTV and supposedly had enough evidence to get a judge to sign the order.

What ever happened to Innocent until Proven Guilty?

Anyways, WhiteViper is fighting the charges and we will just have to wait and see what happens here.

DTV has also closed down many other suspected dealers all across the U.S. and continues to put an end to DTV hacking.



Who wrote this ? its not a press release that's for sure and sounds KAKA to me especially "NO computers or customer information was taken!"


GS2

Originally posted by suckdss1
.. i checked the labal under the ul pro that is showing signed "Tested by F.C.C" ..

Well, hey, there 'ya go! They couldn't have placed a sticker asserting that the damned thing passed a test by an authorized Federal agency if it wasn't true, now, could they? And, since it's been OK'd by an authorized Federal agency, then there'd be no basis for prosecution, either, would there? Thanks for the heads up. Hmmm... What's that sound? Oh, it's a big coordinated sigh of relief!

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Hi Guys,

Gee have I ever mentioned that I have some LOVELY land in a beautiful part of okefenokee swamp for sale?

Delightful South Florida land with no shortage of water either. In fact its waterfront property, all of it. Cheeezze just how gullable can you be. Did you not notice the "approved by the FBI" sticker on it too.

In Canada we have to not let them steal our rights and I hope our American brothers can help put a stop to this kind of ---- too. Seeing we are all in the Satellite Community perhaps help us with our battle and we can help you with yours.

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[spikestest]

Look here at this .com company.

pieceoflogic

[spikestest]

Here is another for your veiwing pleasure, it says they got a hard drive:

DirecTV raiders assault piracy
By Chris Marlowe

LOS ANGELES (The Hollywood Reporter) --- DirecTV has raided several locations in three states and seized items used to pirate its signal, in what the company said is the first such action taken under the terms of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (news - web sites).


Specific impounded equipment includes what are known as unloopers and card programmers as well as other devices used to illegally receive or unencrypt the DirecTV signal. In some cases, DirecTV representatives were also authorized to copy a computer hard drive.


"The use of civil seizures under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act is a significant new weapon in our fight against signal piracy," said Larry Rissler, vp of the Office of Signal Integrity at DirecTV Inc. "By using this statute, we are able to seize equipment or property without prior notice, before there is an opportunity to destroy or hide evidence."


The DMCA makes it illegal to make or provide a device that circumvents encryption. It also established the procedure DirecTV followed to petition the courts and initiate these actions. DirecTV was required to post bonds that are intended to protect the rights of the accused should they be found not guilty.


The defendants are charged with advertising and selling signal-theft devices and providing and listing programs and instructions for illegally modifying DirecTV access cards. In addition to the DMCA, the complaints include claims under the Federal Communications Act, federal wiretap laws and the California penal and civil codes.


The civil seizure and impoundment orders resulted in several truckloads of equipment primarily from Fulfillment Plus, WhiteViper Technologies and American Card Programmers, all of which are based in Orange County, Calif., along with material from other targets in California, Texas and Florida.


Two related Web sites -- Longview, Texas-based Axxessplus.com and Oakland Park, Fla.-based http://www.huexpress.com -- were taken down by their respective Internet service providers, which were acting according to the "safe harbor" provisions of the DMCA after having been notified by DirecTV that the sites were possibly engaged in illegal activities.


In February, DirecTV fought fire with fire by taking electronic countermeasures that destroyed a type of illegally altered decoder cards popular with hackers. It used its satellites to beam down a specific surge of computer code that not only rendered the altered cards useless but also revealed the unequivocal message "GAME OVER" to anyone who attempted to analyze the amended bytes of the hacked cards.


The illegal activity relied on DirecTV's H card, a programmable "smart card" that the company used from 1997 until it realized the problem in 1999. These cards are inserted into the satellite receiver box and control which channels the customer receives by decrypting the signals.


DirecTV, a unit of Hughes Electronics Corp., has more than 9.8 million digital satellite television customers who pay an average of about $60 a month.

[spawn1]

Well if i get anything in the mail from them i will scan it and post it I doubt it though I am a frequent cust and own serveral of whiteviper stuff. including emus etc. so far its been awhile and I have heard jack ---- from anyone so i guess there not going after cust. or a least cust who order large quanites from them.

[spikestest]

My take is that they were allowed to copy hard drives in certian raids, but I would think that those would be the web sites, looking for software. I would think that they did not take drives from the dealers? All speculation and JMO.

GS2 have you ever heard of the guy who posted that article about white viper.... he has pointers to Pirate Den on his site as well... maybe he is in the know?

[moon73]

After that TV show, I feel completely safe. It took them 9 months and hidden videos to get that one guy and he was dealing big time.

[rbryant3]

Well let me let you guys in on a little secret the only letter you will be getting is a letter that informs you that you are the target of a federal investigation and that will be six months down the road. It is not like when customs send you a forfeiture letter. They will watch you to see what you are doing with your stuff and maybe sent in a couple of narc’s to try to buddy up to you and get you to sell them something or raid you before they let you know anything.

As for this letter, I would not put any faith in any letter, for all we know the Feds could have posted it to get everyone to calm down so they could investigate them. One of the governments best tricks is disinformation.

And for the guy that it took them 9 months to bust I have seen them wait 5 years to bust someone. Why? Because the longer they wait the more charges that can file an the more people they can nab and in the long run the higher the jail time, fines, and civil penalties accessed.

You have to understand for every offense you commit that is one charge. If you program 20 cards that is 20 counts. The longer they wait while you are actively committing the offense the more charges they can charge you with and the stronger there case becomes.

As for statute of limitations it is 5 years on most federal crimes but if the investigation is active the time does not start to count until the investigation is inactive.

The best advise I can give is, if the feds are involved you better watch you ass or you might find your self with a lot of time on your hands to think about your mistakes 5-10 years.


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Hi Guys,

rbryant3 seems to be the only one who has any understanding of what is going on. Any one who takes jungles "trust me" as anything real is as dumb as he is.

I am going to quit posting here but I can tell you they have investigated me since 1992 and 3 years after they raided me I have been acquitted by 2 courts and I still don't have anything back. They seized my wifes house, my house, a farm, 6 cars (automobiles) 12,000 access cards about a million dollars in other equipment and over 5 Million dollars in bonds and cash from my banks and I have got NOTHING BACK.

And although I have been acquitted twice they have 83 more charges against me for "Proceeds of Crime". Only one little problem, they have no crime. They have already sued 80 of my customers and raided some others as well but 3 YEARS after they raided me.

So if you think that you are OK because they have not come yet You are friggin crazy. If you were on the list of any raided dealer you can be 1000% sure they will be investigating you. And they have all the time in the world. If you need to be told anything about what you should be doing then you are dumber than STONE and I wont be posting about it again. I find it amazing that people who are trying to help others by warning them of what COULD happen seem to be happy instead in blissful ignorance. Had I had even one days warning I would not be in the position I am today and remember I DID NOT break the law here in Canada but I cannot say the same for elsewhere.

And yes DirecTV® got the FBI, Customs, the Secret Service and other organizations investigating me in the US. The only problem they all have is that I have been twice been found not guilty by courts here and double jeopardy applies EVERYWHERE.

Too bad so many of you want to be blissfully ignorant rather than instructed on this. I wish you all the best of luck but usually the smarter people are at following good advice, the luckier they get.


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[Edited by To The Real King!! on July 4th, 2001 at 04:39 AM]

Ah, that's just nuts. Everyone KNOWS that end users are never prosecuted (after all DirecTV hopes they will see the light and subscribe), and small-time dealers are just given nickel and dime slaps on the wrist (same reason). It's been proved that 2/3 of U.S. judges down to the local yokel police are on the take and watching free TV, themselves. I met a stranger who knows a guy whose girlfriend's brother's favorite auto-parts counterman met some homeless guy who said that his mother's alternate Tuesday boyfriend swears "Dubya" doesn't pay for TV, either! What more do you want? It's all one big happy family, so quit worrying! The alignment of the planets, the gist of the TechTV show last week, and grand pronouncements from zit-faced pre-pubescent teens whose testicles haven't dropped prove beyond all doubt that DirecTV is more than willing to tolerate the current level (and MORE!) of hacking. It's all just a cat and mouse game designed to scare and intimidate the gullible with no real teeth. Gotta admit, though, that DirecTV's bringing on board a broken-down, incompetent FBI retiree, Larry Rissler, as a figurehead to their "Signal Integrity" division was a cute touch, eh? But real he-man hackers know it's all just pure B.S., right? ;)