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RiseStar
July 11th, 2001, 04:45 PM
EL SEGUNDO, LOS ANGELES COUNTYWIDE
L.A. County Targets Satellites in
Out-of-This-World Tax Plan


NANCY VOGEL, TIMES STAFF WRITER

SACRAMENTO -- Los Angeles County officials,
realizing that there is no tax collector in outer space,
hope to fill the void.

Reaching 22,300 miles above the equator, boldly going
where no tax collector has gone before, Los Angeles
County Assessor Rick Auerbach is angling to impose
property taxes on several satellites.

Though never done before in California, the move is
legal, say state and county tax attorneys. That's
because, they say, nobody else is taxing the satellites and they are valuable
property owned by a Los Angeles County-based company. Worth as much as
$100 million each to Hughes Electronics in El Segundo, the satellites could bring
in millions of dollars a year in taxes to schools and government. County officials
are considering assessing at least eight satellites owned by Hughes.

The company is not happy about the tax collector's attempt to extend his
jurisdiction beyond this world.

Brian Paperny, Hughes vice president of taxes, described the company's
executives as "very concerned with the concept of a tax being assessed on a
stationary object 22,300 miles away from the Earth, which is residing in a fixed
parking slot . . . over the equator, far, far away from Los Angeles County and
the borders of California."

The idea has sparked a debate more cosmic than most in the annals of property
taxation.

Auerbach, the assessor, figures that satellites are no different from other
movable personal property that he has authority to tax--like boats, construction
equipment and ice skating costumes.

Yes, said Auerbach, who has researched the issue, in a 1976 case a judge
determined that the property of the Ice Capades could be taxed by Los Angeles
County although it spent most of the year traveling elsewhere with the
ice-skating extravaganza.

"It happens with a lot of other property," said Auerbach. "The difference with the
satellites, obviously, is that they're pretty far removed from Earth."

Hughes argues that the satellites are in a different class altogether.

"The property in question here is geostationary," said Larry Hoenig, a San
Francisco attorney representing Hughes Electronics. "Geostationary satellites sit
above the equator in a fixed position; they do not rotate around the Earth. So the
satellites we're talking about here are not movable property."

Attorneys for the state Board of Equalization, consulted by Auerbach, came
down on the county assessor's side.

"While the satellites are in Earth orbit," wrote the Board of Equalization attorneys
in a background paper, "they nonetheless have a situs for tax purposes in Los
Angeles County, California."

Auerbach's office first began questioning whether it could tax eight satellites
during a routine audit this year of the property that Hughes Electronics owned
from 1991 through 1994. If Auerbach succeeds in taxing those satellites,
presumably other satellites owned by Hughes and its subsidiaries would be taxed.

The satellites serve a multitude of functions, from beaming HBO movies into
American homes to speeding up credit card processing for motorists who pay at
unmanned gas pumps, said Hughes spokesman Richard Dore.

Hughes launches the satellites either from Cape Canaveral in Florida or from
French Guyana, he said. They are then guided to an orbit approved by the
Federal Communications Commission. The satellites remain fixed in that orbit for
10 to 15 years, until they run out of the fuel necessary to adjust their positions so
they are constantly pointed at Earth. Then they are moved to a designated space
graveyard.

The satellites, said Dore, never pass over California territory.

Nonetheless, Auerbach said, he feels compelled to tax the satellites.

"I've read the opinions," he said, "and it's pretty clear in my mind that it's taxable."

The elected officials who oversee the Board of Equalization, an agency that
collects one-third of the state's annual revenues, are not so sure.

Last week, the board backed away from its own legal staff's opinion. In a 3-2
vote, the board moved to warn Auerbach that the advice he got from the board's
legal division is not necessarily the opinion of the board itself and that he should
not count on it.

State Controller and board Chairwoman Kathleen Connell said the issue of taxing
satellites will become more pressing if President Bush succeeds in launching his
missile defense strategy. She said that plan, aimed at protecting the nation from
enemy missiles, entails the installation of satellite transmitters along the West
Coast.

In some future regulatory process, Connell said, the board will determine just
how far the tax collector can reach into outer space.

Auerbach said he thinks he knows where the issue will land.

"I do believe," he said, "this will eventually end up in the courts."

RiseStar
July 11th, 2001, 04:53 PM
Heh, heh

In space, no one can hear you scream, but also watch out for those orbitting tax collectors.

Coming soon: a way to measure the amount of light the moon shines on your house and add it to your electric bill :)

blcjet
July 11th, 2001, 05:01 PM
Who is it that said there are only 3 things guaranteed in like....your born, you die, and you pay taxes!

SatComa
July 11th, 2001, 05:54 PM
It will probally end up in court and then the subscribers in California will end up paying for it.

Normally in the US a common carrier can only be taxed on the communications that terminate in their state.

RiseStar
July 11th, 2001, 09:32 PM
Does California really charge property tax on boats?

I thought Canadas tax schemes were bad. I guess we have a few less taxes, but just pay more on the ones we have.

July 11th, 2001, 09:43 PM
For owners who live aboard their boats in the marinas, I believe the boats are on the various county property tax rolls. I believe the same holds true for motorhomes and coaches, again if occupied as primary residences. It would seem unfair that such people would get a free ride except for berth or space leases for services while their conventional homeowning neighbors have to pay. If L.A. County gets its way regarding DBS infrastructure in space, then Vandenberg AFB ought to be damned glad they're not in L.A. County!

Lager
July 11th, 2001, 11:34 PM
10 to 1 that this tax collector is a Democrat (capital D). People like this make me sick.

Lager

SammyBoy
July 13th, 2001, 01:36 PM
California is a borderline communist State. When they make the decision to tax the satellites, if I were Hughes/DTV my first move would be to move my headquarters to a more corporate/industry/tax friendly state. The sooner California falls into the ocean the better.

GhostDog
July 14th, 2001, 09:27 PM
SammyBoy is so right, although California is a beautiful state, probably the nicest weather in the US, its politics and certain laws leave alot to be desired. I dont see the issue here. Why dosent Hughes, just incorporate in Nevada or something? Its next door and there are no state corporate or personal taxes.

Dime

To The Real King!!
July 15th, 2001, 02:14 PM
Hi Guys,

WoW this is pretty cool. The biggest litigating Ba***** in the USA get out Ba*******ed by the taxman.

If it were not so sad, it would be hilarious.

I wonder if there is any problem with Satellites being owned as property by an offshore company and leasing their transponders to the Company that sells the programming.

I am sure if they tried this on Charly Ergen he would find a way to NOT own the satellites in the juresdiction that wishes to tax the property.

What total idioticy. This idiot Auerbach should get a medal for "idiot of the year".

It just goes to show how disconnected from reality these beaureaucrats are.

I recommend Auerbach go up there with his lousy tape measure to check it out.

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SammyBoy
July 16th, 2001, 04:31 PM
I apologize if I offended anyone with my comment about California falling into the ocean. It is a very beautiful state and many of the people are ok. I just totally disagree with the liberal philosophy of the politicians/people of the state. I just get really pissed when I read about any politician looking for new ways to raise our taxes. Again, sincere apologies to the citizens of CA.

Daveee
July 19th, 2001, 07:47 PM
Now this is something we can both agree on. :)

I just totally disagree with the liberal philosophy of the politicians/people of the state. I just get really pissed when I read about any politician looking for new ways to raise our taxes