Dolby, DTS, THX. etc.............

[CanadianMetalMan]

On the topic of movies. How many of you are trying to reproduce the sound of a theatre in your basement? I want specs of what your running and how well it works for you. Last thing, do you have preference in sound fields. Is Dolby better then DTS etc.

[Crestman]

CanadianMetalMan - ....I am working on a system that will get me by till I can afford a "real" system...I will bring my sub and my DSS receiver with me down stairs when it's ready to rock...Last winter i purchase a Sony 545 DTS receiver, 2 rear Alpha B PSB speakers along with a Alpha center..One bad ass e:xl-S12 Energy Subwoofer......I'm working on a new DSS DD receiver 8-)...And by the end of the winter I'll have my Image 7PT front's kikin'...Now this is not by far the "dream" system I am planning for the basement...but it does not bad in the mean time..Not to sure how many of you have heard the PSB's but they are in my opinion one hell of a speaker...Anyway, the wife don't let me turn it up to often anyway...So I'll save the mullas for the "real" system down stairs...hehe...

Now lets hear about those serious systems out there...


C

[sugar ray]

not serious by all means. kenwood hometheatre sytem getting me by until i can afford to upgrade. ive done extensive reading regarding DTS, and infact DTS is BETTER then dolby 5.1. however, the problem with DTS is the dvd software. alot of DVD's do NOT have DTS, where 98% of them have dolby digital. it's also to my understanding, although i maybe wrong, that to achieve true DTS you need an external decoder hooked up to your receiver.

[CanadianMetalMan]

Everybody keep's e-mailing me with the same question, what are you using? so here it is and it is constantly changing:

Parasound AVC 2500U Pre Amp.
Parasound CSE 6.1 THX EX centre surround processor.
2 Parasound HCA 2205AT 5 channel amp's. My entire system is bi-wired.
Carver AV 500X amp. Runs my rear centre channel only in Mono.
Arcam Dv88 DVD player.
Sony 9000ES DVD player. Used as a CD transport only.
Mitsubishi SD100 Dolby Digital IRD. For Dave TV.
Bell Express View 4700 Dolby Digital IRD. For Canuck TV.
Toshiba 56 HDTV
2 Monster Cable MP-HTS5000 power and line conditioner's.

Front speakers are Monitor Audio Silver 9i's.
Rears are Monitor Audio Silver 9i's.
Centre for both front and rear are Monitor Audio's Silver 10i.
2 Boston Acoustics VR-500 sub woofers.

All cables throughout are Kimber.

My system meets the THX standard. With respect to personnel preference in sound fields, I think Dolby Digital outperforms all others. I like DTS but it's way to boomy and the vocals are not as clear as Dolby Digital. This is mostly due to the fact that DTS records there sound tracks different with the priority being on the front's and rear's versus the dialog. I love my basement. Have not gone to a movie theatre in 5 or 6 years
:)

[Stonewolf]

Man!! This stuff is aggrivating!! With all the home theater options out there and no MONEY ! I have an old aiwa surround sound package, 550watt stereo receiver with 5.1 input and digital decoder. It has a crappy 50watt powered subb with it. This setup has only pissed me off because I have gotten a little glimpse as to what REAL surround sound might be like. It is time to upgrade!!! I just purchased a JBL center channell speaker from best buy for $150 bucks. It really kicks butt!!! I am starting from there I guess, I am going to keep my stereo receiver. Next will be some new surrond speakers and a powered subb. Affordable ones I hope. What is my best and most affordable way to get dolby surround with my satellite system? I have a 3rd generation rca now , that will not put any sound to my surround speakers--just the center speaker. Any advice for a poor boy?

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by Stonewolf
Man!! This stuff is aggrivating!! With all the home theater options out there and no MONEY ! I have an old aiwa surround sound package, 550watt stereo receiver with 5.1 input and digital decoder. It has a crappy 50watt powered subb with it. This setup has only pissed me off because I have gotten a little glimpse as to what REAL surround sound might be like. It is time to upgrade!!! I just purchased a JBL center channell speaker from best buy for $150 bucks. It really kicks butt!!! I am starting from there I guess, I am going to keep my stereo receiver. Next will be some new surrond speakers and a powered subb. Affordable ones I hope. What is my best and most affordable way to get dolby surround with my satellite system? I have a 3rd generation rca now , that will not put any sound to my surround speakers--just the center speaker. Any advice for a poor boy?

If you want just Dolby, buy a Dolby Prologic Decoder. If you want Dolby Digital, once again you have to buy a stand alone decoder and upgrade your IRD to something capable of receiving the Digital signal. Your best bet would be to buy a new receiver with Dolby Digital on board. There's plenty out there that are inexpensive. You will still have to upgrade your IRD. Your current set-up should provide sound to your front's and rear's regardless. When watching TV, look for various sound fields built into the receiver and toggle through them.

[Stonewolf]

thanks candianmetalman, I really appreciate the info. There are not that many knowledgable people with home theater surrond sound. (escpecially with satellite receiver) I believe I will upgrade my sat. receiver.

[rob13572468]

canadianmetalman has got the right idea,

though you can get a full 5.1 system for under $1000.00, you will typically need to spend alot more to get a real theater experience at home. I just designed a home theater system for a client of mine (a famous musician) that was installed in a tour van. He wanted to be able to watch movies and have the same effect as his theater room at his home. The system for the van (complete with dtv and mobile auto tracking dish) ran $60,000 US. The theater room that i designed for him two years ago was $190,000. now obviously, a good system does not have to cost that much, but there are certain pieces of the system that should not be compromised;

The first and most important part of a theater system are the speakers. I have seen alot of very expensive systems sound like crap because the wrong speakers were used, the guy had some speakers lying around, or someone wanted this type of speaker when they were not well suited to the application. right now, there are approximately 500 different brands/manufacturers of speakers, from your $100 pair wholesale specials to the super high end hand made reference monitors at $100,000 a pair (you read right!) when you get into the higher end speakers like cmm's monitor audio product, you can hear where the extra money went.

the second most important thing is proper amplification. the more you spend on power, the better everything will sound. you want every driver in every speaker to have its own channel (that means bi-amping if your speaker supports it or opening the speaker and removing the passive crossovers and running wires from each driver back to its own amp. also make sure that you find the rated rms power (avg from 20-20000 Hz) of the driver(s) and exceed that from each amp. once you get that stuff worked out, you need to correctly position the speakers. this can be as simple as setting them on stands or as difficult as running time alignment processors and equilizers on each speaker to correct the frequencies and make sure that all paths are equidistant.

of course, there are many other different factors that can make or break any system, but most often the speakers and amplifiers are weak links in the chain. spending more of your dollars there will make all the difference.

now the debate between DTS and Dolby Digital is a tough one. It is not so much a matter of preference, but application. DTS was designed as a duplicate of the theater standard for the home. because of this, the standard by which the recordings are made assume that playback will be made in a larger theater-sized and shaped room and that speaker positioning and type will be similar to a theater. DTS will not sound as good as DD unless considerable time and money is spent engineering the proper playback environment. DD is a much more robust and forgiving standard, and was designed to be used in within many different listening areas. As a result DD does not suffer from the large 6+dB peaks at certain frequencies as a result of environmental acoustic loading. Plus, as was previously stated, most dvd's have DD whereas you will be hard pressed to find dts on many of the DVD's

[jayfrank212]

If you want to talk numbers, Dolby Digital is compressed to a min of 448 kbps, and a maximum of 384 kbps. Now DTS is either going to be compressed to 754 kbps or 1509 kbps. So that means at their best, DD is 3 times more compressed than DTS, and with compression comes distortion and loss of information. Dolby sponsored a research paper in November of 2000, it found DTS 1509 to be the best sounding codec on the market at the time. However it also found that half rate DTS, or DTS 754 to be the worst of the four codecs.

Any other question can be forwarded to jayfrank212@hotmail.com

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by jayfrank212
If you want to talk numbers, Dolby Digital is compressed to a min of 448 kbps, and a maximum of 384 kbps. Now DTS is either going to be compressed to 754 kbps or 1509 kbps. So that means at their best, DD is 3 times more compressed than DTS, and with compression comes distortion and loss of information. Dolby sponsored a research paper in November of 2000, it found DTS 1509 to be the best sounding codec on the market at the time. However it also found that half rate DTS, or DTS 754 to be the worst of the four codecs.

Any other question can be forwarded to jayfrank212@hotmail.com

Your numbers are right on the money. The only thing that you left out was the fact that Dolby Laboratories also found that approximately 80% of current home theatre set ups would not be able to benefit from the higher kbps due to inadequate equipment. DTS does do it right but, for me I have the equipment necessary to properly critique various sound fields and except for the odd DVD I prefer Dolby Digital. But that after all is what I hear. What sounds good to me may sound like shi$ to somebody else.........God I love talking about sound:)

[Hellspawn2]

Hey guys since we are on this subject i recently move into a new home and i want to set the basement up for a home theater system. I don't know to much about the subject so where should i start my research?

Thanks,
Hellspawn2

[CanadianMetalMan]

Speakers. Buy your speakers according to your room size and the acoustics the room offers. Remember bigger is not better! If you have a large room make sure your speakers will be able to reproduce lower bass frequency's etc. If you want specific models and such, send me a PM with your room size and your budget and I will give you a few idea's. Don't let anybody tell you different. If you get yourself a set of speakers that you enjoying listing to they will be around a long time. Your equipment on the other hand can be changed on a regular basis and for the most part your speakers will remain true. There are some exceptions of course such as going from an analog amp to a tube etc, but I'm trying not to write a book here! LOL This is a good site, where other people have rated stuff according to there experience. xxx.audioreview.com

[jayfrank212]

“Your numbers are right on the money. The only thing that you left out was the fact that Dolby Laboratories also found that approximately 80% of current home theatre set ups would not be able to benefit from the higher kbps due to inadequate equipment. DTS does do it right but, for me I have the equipment necessary to properly critique various sound fields and except for the odd DVD I prefer Dolby Digital. But that after all is what I hear. What sounds good to me may sound like shi$ to somebody else.........God I love talking about sound”

Compression rates and the ability to benefit from them don’t make sense. Take an MP3 for example, compress the song to 45kbps listen to it, then listen to it at 125 kbps, very big difference. In our showroom, ALL DTS demos I have ever run have sounded fuller, richer and had MUCH better separation in the rear channels. Now the fact that only 2% of material is available in DTS is a downer, however HDTV has the same problem, along with DVD audio, and DTS audio. Owning the correct equipment to hear and see these superior formats will only improve your system.

[jayfrank212]

The best site on the net for very technical questions and even simple questions.

http://www.avsforum.com

[syntax]

I have had my home theater system now for about 2 years. What can I say, it was a father’s day present! Let me tell you, I came home with about 15,000 worth of gear (at cost, because its all about who you know!) and wify through out major stink eye. After I got it setup, the family was could not believe it. It was F'in awesome. Hell the family couldn't move for days. I was also my first taste of DSS. Yes I did get the 5.1 receiver. After North-Sat fixed one of my H-cards I was hooked. Now I'm emu'in and nothing makes me happier than turning on my Sony 61" XBR , putting on a PPV and seeing the DOLBY DIGITAL at the top of the screen. I have to put a pillow over my lap if you know what I mean! hehe
I just can’t see spending all this time on this hobby with out a home theater system, its like icing on the cake.

Take care everyone,
Syntax

[CanadianMetalMan]

Compression rates and the ability to benefit from them don’t make sense. Take an MP3 for example, compress the song to 45kbps listen to it, then listen to it at 125 kbps, very big difference. In our showroom, ALL DTS demos I have ever run have sounded fuller, richer and had MUCH better separation in the rear channels. Now the fact that only 2% of material is available in DTS is a downer, however HDTV has the same problem, along with DVD audio, and DTS audio. Owning the correct equipment to hear and see these superior formats will only improve your system. [/B][/QUOTE]

I see your point but, my original point was this. You need the proper equipment to properly utilize what DTS is offering. With respect to compression. Take an MP3 at 128 and again at 160. The difference in compression rates is still there, however the audible difference in sound becomes marginal. I think this is a fairer comparison. I have friends who prefer 128 over 160 and vice versa depending on the source material. Me personally I can't stand MP3's but that's for another day. Once again it comes down to preference and equipment. There is a difference. If DTS was found by the masses to sound better it would be bigger then Dolby Digital because the studious would demand it. After reading the post's in here I decided to have a little test at my house. I had a few buddy's come over and I put in Titan AE. I switched between sound formats giving both sound fields the same playing time. When I was done everybody picked Dolby Digital. Funny part was they all said the same thing. Vocals where clear and more defined then DTS. I have done this in the past and I always get the same result. I'm not trying to get in to it with you but I still believe that it comes down to personal preference and proper equipment, and so far the majority are going with Dolby Digital. You make one excellent point with respect to the difference in availability but as I mentioned, if there was a demand the studious would fill it.

[fweasel]

Dolby digital vs DTS...that will never be solved. There're too many variables. I've heard DVD demo's on $250,000 speaker systems (not including the gear)and the DD sounded great while the DTS sounded harsh. Some movie titles are mastered better than others and even the same title in both formats are mixed at different studios so proper A/B comparison is almost imnpossible due to mixing levels and so forth. Yep, DTS has less compression, but DD can actively distribute its processing power to specific channels as needed while DTS is fixed. Sometimes crickets in the rear channels don't need the same rate as jet engines in the fronts.

Anyway, my system...I love it.
Lexicon MC-1 DD, DTS, THX processor
Energy Veritas 1.8 speakers
Energy Veritas V2.0c center channel
Energy RVSS rear speaker 2 pair
Adcom GFA-7500 5 channel amp
Adcom GFA-555II 2 channel amp
Niles IPC-12 power conditioner
Sony DVPS-7000 DVD player
Sony SAT-A4 sat receiver
Adcom GCD-700 CD carousel
Monster M1000 S-video cables
Monster M1000 audio cables
Monster M1000 digital cables
Adcom AM/FM tuner
Sony LD player (DD)
Toshiba TW-40H80 40" widescreen TV

[fweasel]

oh yeah, one more quip on DD vs DTS... DTS takes up more space, which means less room for all those goodies on the interactive menus!

[CanadianMetalMan]

Very nice. How do you like that GFA 7500? I have a GFA 7000 sitting in a closet. One of these day's I will have to hook it up and see what it's like.

[Nav]

ahh Home Audio... The toy model that will never be complete!

Here is what I run:

Paradigm 5seMK3 fronts (rah, rah canadian eh!)
Paradigm rears (lost model#)
Paradigm CC200 Center
Paradigm 500 - amp powered sub
Sony DA30ES receiver - DTS, love the exra $ spent on this.
Sony DVP-S530D - Nothing but problems, 4 times in for repair
Sony 53" TV - I would like to upgrade this
RCA DRD515RB - Dave TV
and monster cable all through - excellent investment!
Optical links between receiver, IRD and DVD.

When the kids are out it's a lot of fun to crank up "gone in 60 sec's" or "Aliens" This setup isn't very good at staging a good Roger Waters tune but it does ok with movies.

Now I'm looking at some tube amps for HQ audio....

The wife hates my hobbies!
:)

[Stonewolf]

Just wanted to post an update on what this poor redneck is doing about his sad home theater set up. Just got a 36inch pure flat screen hdtv television. (1380i &480p, line doubler) 1 JVC progressive scan dvd player to make use of the t.v.'s ability.
Sound system still sucks.... I am happy with my center channell speaker, but would love some advice on picking up some AFFORDABLE speakers and powered subwolfer. Any Suggestions? Remember, I am poor!!!! Especially after buying that T.V. and dvd player.
One last thing.......You have to check out the picture on a hdtv with a progressive scan dvd player!!! It kicks butt!!!

[CanadianMetalMan]

If your happy with the JBL, stick with that for your front's. Speakers sound different, so if you change your front's to something other then JBL you might not like the difference. The technical term for this is called Timbre matching. I'm sure if you check with JBL they will recommend a set of fronts that will work well with your centre. Check their web site as well. With the sub you have a lot more room to play with. Look around for something you like. Also make sure it will compliment your fronts by doing the work your fronts can't.

[Spree]

My sony reciever decodes dts internally, and I'll tell you what if you want to see the difference between DTS and DD, check out the Terminator 2 Special Edition DVD. It has both DD and DTS on it. I think that the DTS sounds way better.

[2gapa]

I find with my 5.1 setup that DTS is not worth the extra space used on the DVD compared to DD.

What is your favorite "reference" DVD for DD 5.1? So for I like "Saving Private Ryan" and "The Matrix".

[CanadianMetalMan]

The Matrix (Dolby Digital) Titan AE (DTS):)

[rocketmangb]

Feel free to tell me if i'm headed the wrong way on my home theatre.
JBL S310's front
JBL S Center
JBL S36's rear
JBL PB12 subwoofer
Klipsch Quintet for the front surround
looking at the Yamaha RX-V3000 amplifier to drive it all
i am building a Sony A2 ird for the emu (5.1 dd unit)
i have a Pioneer 603 DVD changer.
havent started looking for the Big Screen yet.

any thoughts ?

Thanks

Rocketman

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by rocketmangb
Feel free to tell me if i'm headed the wrong way on my home theatre.
JBL S310's front
JBL S Center
JBL S36's rear
JBL PB12 subwoofer
Klipsch Quintet for the front surround
looking at the Yamaha RX-V3000 amplifier to drive it all
i am building a Sony A2 ird for the emu (5.1 dd unit)
i have a Pioneer 603 DVD changer.
havent started looking for the Big Screen yet.

any thoughts ?

Thanks

Rocketman

Do you have all the above? or are you just considering it?

[rocketmangb]

Metal,
i have the Sony A2,the pioneer DVD and all the speakers
i have a cheap sony amp rite now that i bought to get by with
what do you think ?

Rocketman

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by rocketmangb
Metal,
i have the Sony A2,the pioneer DVD and all the speakers
i have a cheap sony amp rite now that i bought to get by with
what do you think ?

Rocketman

I have no problems with anything you listed. I would look at the 333ES or the 444ES from Sony before going with the Yamaha. Both those receivers are excellent. With respect to your IRD. Have you ever looked at the Mitsubishi SD-50? It has a true coaxial digital out, which is superior to optical and can handle Dolby Digital. So far it hasn't even taken the wink. I refuse to hook anything up through optical as I find there is to much jitter being produced. Most high-end retailers will recommend coax over optical. Remember to use decent wires and inter connects. You don't need the best as I think most of it is hype. I have a 1 meter pair of Kimber's that have a retail value of over $500.00US and they don't sound any different then my $125.00 Monster cables.

[rocketmangb]

Cubbie,
i thought if it had the optical out it was 5.1 compatible !
Help !!!

Metal,
just sold the mitsubishi 50 that i never used :(
it had the coax and the optical out.
have i stepped on my pee pee here ?

Rocketman

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by rocketmangb
Cubbie,
i thought if it had the optical out it was 5.1 compatible !
Help !!!

Metal,
just sold the mitsubishi 50 that i never used :(
it had the coax and the optical out.
have i stepped on my pee pee here ?

Rocketman

If it has optical, it will decode the digital signal. Can you get the Mits back? LOL :K You may just want it.

[rocketmangb]

Metal,
rite now i have the STR-de515 sony,bought it cheap,used,like 130 bucks and it works ok for now
basically i looked at the yamaha for the plethora of inputs and outputs,and the front surround channel,i think its 130 watts x5 plus a rear center and front surround @ 25 watts. for 7.1 type sound.
i guess im ok speaker wise.

Rocketman

[CanadianMetalMan]

Hmmmmmmm. I have tried 5.1 6.1 and 7.1. I always went back to true Dolby or DTS which is 5.1. Don't get caught up in the hype surrounding 6.1 and 7.1 If you have a large and I mean large room there are benefits but..................remember that DVD's are encoded for 5.1. Anything else is being artificially reproduced.

Another couple of receivers that I should throw out there are the 945 from Sony and the higher end Marantz stuff is nice but $$$$.

[CanadianMetalMan]

rocketmangb, check your PM.

[rocketmangb]

i had 10 a4's last week :(

Rocketman

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by rocketmangb
i had 10 a4's last week :(

Rocketman

You had 10 a4's and the Mits? You got rid of them all? I'm still sticking with my original suggestion and get another SD-50. For some reason it's a fifth gen that will work with anything and has great sound. I have it running on a H with Summit Stealth 1.6. Yeah I know, I shouldn't be using the H, but what the hell! If anybody is after a good site for audio that has reviews written by people that actually use the stuff, go HERE (http://www.audioreview.com)

[rocketmangb]

Metal,
i know it sounds like BS,but i had 10 a4's last week,check my flea-bay auctions ! it dont lie
would some one kick me in the ass ? please !
the Mits went a couple weeks ago

Rocketman

[CanadianMetalMan]

Maybe THIS (http://cgi.ca.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1281275878) will work for you.

[mtweaked]

I saw a RCA reciever that advertised "Pro-Logic digital" What is this? Is it the same as Dolby Digital, or is it some badly emulated surround sound?

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by mtweaked
I saw a RCA reciever that advertised "Pro-Logic digital" What is this? Is it the same as Dolby Digital, or is it some badly emulated surround sound?

No. Pro Logic Digital is just RCA's term. Pro Logic is just Dolby Pro Logic. It is in no way close to Dolby Digital. If want to read up on the diffrences go HERE (http://www.dolby.com)

[littled]

i'm looking to buy my first system.
i have an rca480re laying around, but no suround sound yet.
i have a 30' by 15' room.
my budget is $1000 for the the complete system.
what would you fine people recommend.
thanks littled

[CanadianMetalMan]

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Are we talking $1000.00 for speakers, sub, DVD player and receiver? I hate to be the first one to tell you this but can we get a bit more $ out of your budget? If not, no problem we can figure something out that will work for you. The only reason I ask for more money is because of the room size.

[sept61]

Here's what I'm thinking of purchasing.....What do you think?

Yamaha RX-V620
Paradigm
Monitor 3 Front
CC-370 Center
ADP-370 Surround
PW-2200 Sub

Thanks in advance
Sept61

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by sept61
Here's what I'm thinking of purchasing.....What do you think?

Yamaha RX-V620
Paradigm
Monitor 3 Front
CC-370 Center
ADP-370 Surround
PW-2200 Sub

Thanks in advance
Sept61

If your room is not to big, this system will work well for you. My only concern is the RX-V620 is a bit weak on the power side but will work with these speakers. You may want to look at a power amp down the road if you ever upgrade your speakers to full towers.

[littled]

metalman,
i have a 36" tv, so i won't be sitting to far away.
i also have a cheap dvd player.
i mainly want a beginners setup for pay per view.
i can spend more than $1000, but i must be hanging around walmart to much eyeballing those $300 systems :)
so what would you recommend for someone who only has a tv and dvd player right now. (i don't want to use my junky speakers)
and where can i buy this stuff.
thanks littled

[sept61]

Originally posted by CanadianMetalMan


If your room is not to big, this system will work well for you. My only concern is the RX-V620 is a bit weak on the power side but will work with these speakers. You may want to look at a power amp down the road if you ever upgrade your speakers to full towers.


What would you recommend as far as power?
"if you room is not too big",what is too big?
This is my upgrade, I thought that this would do.


Thanks
Sept61

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by littled
metalman,
i have a 36" tv, so i won't be sitting to far away.
i also have a cheap dvd player.
i mainly want a beginners setup for pay per view.
i can spend more than $1000, but i must be hanging around walmart to much eyeballing those $300 systems :)
so what would you recommend for someone who only has a tv and dvd player right now. (i don't want to use my junky speakers)
and where can i buy this stuff.
thanks littled

Look at what sept61 is doing. He's on the right track.

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by sept61



What would you recommend as far as power?
"if you room is not too big",what is too big?
This is my upgrade, I thought that this would do.


Thanks
Sept61

What you have listed is very nice but these are all satellite speakers which limit sound dispersion in large rooms. How big a room are you putting it in?

[vivapaco]

This is my understanding on how it goes (worst to best):

mono

stereo

3 stereo

dolby pro logic

dolby digital

dts

dts-se

thx <= aahhhhhhh

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by vivapaco
This is my understanding on how it goes (worst to best):

mono

stereo

3 stereo

dolby pro logic

dolby digital

dts

dts-se

thx <= aahhhhhhh

One word, NO!:)

[littled]

thanks metalman

[sept61]

The room is approx. 18x24.

I hope this will work....I placed order and system will be here on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Now I need a DTV IRD with DD.

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by sept61
The room is approx. 18x24.

I hope this will work....I placed order and system will be here on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Now I need a DTV IRD with DD.

In case you didn't read this whole thread, get the Mits SD-50:)

[rocketmangb]

cubbie,
what is the new www of the avsforum ?

Rocketman

[CanadianMetalMan]

Originally posted by rocketmangb
cubbie,
what is the new www of the avsforum ?

Rocketman

rocket, My PM box has been acting wierd so I thought I would post here as well. That RCA will work fine. Get a good optical cable.