problem with 101/119 dual sat

[mikecanada]

i recently bought a hughes directv reciever with the dual lnb dish... ive been trying to get it going for nearly 2 weeks now.. and its really getting on my nerves. when i go into the signal meter it shows i am recieving both sattelites ... but cant see any of the channels from 119 ... and i get this message " your satellite cabling may be incorrect please check connections. but i know all the connections are good.. i just did what the manual said. i thought maybe it wasnt switching properly between sats? any help appreciated

[docadar]

This might be obvious to you but...do you have a plus dish with twin Dual LNB's or just an 18" dish your trying to set-up as a 18X24?

[mrrhinehart]

Hook the reciever directly to the 101 satellite lnb to eliminate the switch as the problem.

[acbilly]

Your problem is you don't have a 5th generation rec.Depending on
which rec. you have, you may be able to recieve both sats. but seperately as with a a b switch.

[acbilly]

Re read your post,this is a dual dish rig,must be a 5th gen.rec.
try channel 90,it will give you a header that says if you are good to go,if it doesn't check your cables at switch.

[mikecanada]

ok guys i can get 101 fine with a signal of 87... when i get 101 what do i have to do with the dish to get 119.. please help im pulling my hair out here hehe. any answers appreciate...

reciever is a hughes 5th generation with channel master dish...(oval)

[LarryF805]

I have a RCA 5th gen and a channel master dish. When I initially setup the system I would get the 101 bird at 95 but I couldn't get the 119. I adjusted the elavation(up & down)and I got the 119 but the 101 fell off. The difference in elevation between the two birds were to extreme to get both birds at the same time. Once I moved my dish to a higher point on my roof both satellites came in fine. Try that. Move your dish and adjust your settings and you should be fine.

[Lino215]

do you set the ird for a oval dish?, if not you need to do it.

[smack]

You are probably hitting the wrong satellite at 119.

First step: Check your mount/mast for plumb & level. If it's not plumb & level, you've cut your chances of getting both satellites to somewhere around 5% (assuming you're fairly clever).

Next: Set the TILT, verify that you're using the correct index mark, set the number given to you by the IRD pointing program. Tighten up the tilt nuts...and never touch them again, ever. If the mast is plumb & level, the tilt is correct.

Next: Set your elevation. Verify that you are on the correct index mark, set it to the number given by the IRD pointing program. Semi-tighten the elevation nuts...you'll be tweaking them later.

Next: Aim the dish in the correct direction. If you're using a compass, you may need to add or subtract from the setting because of magnetic deviation. There's a web site where you can find out what your MagDev is...scan the Satellite Installer's Forum, there's dozens of posts with that reference (I don't know it off the top of my head). Your local airport should also be able to tell you...call a flight school, any local pilot will know.

Once you have the dish in the right general direction, set up the IRD/TV or Satellite Signal meter, and sweep the dish a couple degrees and wait for AT LEAST two tone/beep cycles. It take some time for the IRD to "sync up" the signal and show a reaction.

Once you get signal on the 101, tweak the Az/El setting for max.


Next: Switch your IRD/tv or Satellite Signal Meter to the 119. If your mast/mount is plumb & level, you'll have the right signal. Tweak the Az/El (ONLY...DON'T TOUCH THE TILT) to get a good balance of signal for both sats. It's not uncommon to have to drop the signal some on the 101 satellite to get a little stronger signal on the 119.

If the mast is not plumb & level, you can have an honest-to-gawd infinite number of Az/El/Tilt combinations where you can one satellite or the other, but not both. The scope of acceptable settings is 99% within the tilt setting provided by your IRD''s pointing menu screen.

FWIW

Good Luck

Scott

[kheflw]

Smack, you sound like a guy that knows what he's talking about. Maybe you can help with my problem. I've been trying for 5 days to get the 119 Bird. I can get the 101 with my eyes closed. My mast is plumb, my tilt is what RCA says it should be, my elevation here in NJ is 30.8, sweep the Azimuth and I get 101 no problem. I've never hit the 119 even for a second. I think I did get tht 110 by tilting the dish 90 degrees opposite of what it should be. Or at least I think it was the 110, I had some PBS channel where Nasa should be. I know the LNB on both sides are good, I have 2 multiswithces here, so I've swapped those. I had a pro over here this morning, he says a tree that is about 60 feet from my dish and about 40 feet tall is blocking. My dish is 30 feet in the air. Do the math, I'm pretty sure I clear that tree. I want to try my Sony round dish to just get the 119. Can I connect direct to the lnb with just one cable to the IRD and get a signal? If so what is the method for combining two dishes into the multiswitch? I would think leave the IRD in oval 2 lnb mode, and feed the 2 wires from the round dish into ports "B" of the switch. The IRD's would think there is one dish...Right?

Thanks for any help.

[smack]

You are correct. As long as the multiswitch sees two cable from each of two LNBs, it doesn't care if it's on one dish or not.

The 119 satellite is about 18 degrees West of the 101, and about six degrees lower in elevation (hence, the "tilt" on the elliptical dish). On a directly connected IRD, there used to be a channel (maybe it was 100 (from the 119 sat) that said "Welcome to DirecTV's Newest Satellite" something like that.

If you get signal lock, but no channels, you're probably on the wrong satellite at 119, try lowering your elevation a couple notches.

AND next time, open a new thread. "Thread-Jacking" is a bad way to go.


FWIW

Scott

[kheflw]

Thanks, I got tuned in to the 119 tonight. Had to cut down about 1/2 of my maple tree. Put up a 2nd dish. Looks ugly but it's working...

[Malm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by smack

The 119 satellite is about 18 degrees West of the 101, and about six degrees lower in elevation


Thanks smack !!
After a lot of searching, that was exactly the way I needed to hear it explained...
I have been trying to line up my second dish to the 119 satellite for a couple hours, with no luck... after reading that explanation, I wasn't on the ladder 5 minutes and found it....

Malm