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crownvic
October 3rd, 2001, 02:45 PM
Well is Mike gonna do a first round KO again,I'm sure they could get a better opponent...
Here is the bio for Nielson..
International Boxing Council (IBC) Heavyweight Champion

BORN: April 1, 1965, Korsoer, Denmark

HEIGHT: 6' 2"

FIGHTS: 63 WINS: 62 LOSSES: 1 DRAWS: 0 KOs: 43

"Super" Brian Nielsen has one of the most prolific records in boxing history. When he improved to 49-0 by knocking out former world champion Tim Witherspoon on April 16, 1999, Nielsen equaled the legendary accomplishment of Rocky Marciano.

With a chance to make history, however, Nielsen fell flat on his wallet. Comfortably ahead and seemingly well on his way to a 50th consecutive triumph on June 18, 1999, ---- Ryan flattened him in the 10th round. The come-from-ahead loss turned Nielsen's career upside down.

It also left Nielsen in a coma.

Going into the Ryan bout, Nielsen knew he was a victory away from establishing himself as a viable heavyweight contender. For seven rounds, he acted the part. Nielsen consistently outboxed and outhustled Ryan, who appeared to be exhausted by the conclusion of the seventh. Nielsen, however, suddenly started to stagger around the ring in the eighth. He had not been hit with any hard punches. The 2,000 spectators in attendance thought Nielsen was joking. He obviously was not.

Referee Jess Anderson did not immediately stop the fight, most likely due to the fact that Nielsen had a significant points advantage. His 50th win appeared to be a mere formality. By the 10th round, however, Nielsen could hardly stand and the referee had no alternative but to stop it. Seconds later, Nielsen collapsed on the canvas. Later, he was transported by ambulance to the hospital in a coma. Nielsen remained unconscious for 16 hours and stayed in bed for two days.

Doctors said that dehydration and lack of fluid caused the exhaustion. Nielsen later said he lost 22 pounds before and during the fight. It may not have helped that his trainer, Pepe Correa, refused to let him drink water between rounds.

Nielsen insists. "That will never happen to me again. I am still going for the world title.''

Nielsen went 104-7 in the amateurs while winning numerous titles, including the Danish Championship (1988-'92), the Nordic Championship ('90 and '92), the Copenhagen Box Cup ('88, '90 and '92), the Kings Cup ('89), and was the bronze medalist at the European Championships in '91 and at the Olympic Games in '92. He also competed in the '86 Olympics and the world amateur championships in '86 and '91.

The Danish heavyweight turned pro on Sept. 4, 1992, by winning a six-round decision over Terry Armstrong in Copenhagen, Denmark. After fighting his first eight contests in his native Denmark, Nielsen made his United States debut on March 5, 1994, and captured a four-round decision over Ross Puritty in Los Angeles.

After registering one knockout in his initial nine outings, Nielsen returned to Denmark and scored 18 KOs in his next 22 bouts, including early-round victories over former heavyweight champions James "Bonecrusher" Smith and Tony Tubbs.

On Jan. 12, 1996, in Copenhagen, Nielsen scored a second-round TKO over Tony La Rosa to capture the International Boxing Organization (IBO) heavyweight title. He retained the crown for the first time by scoring a seventh-round TKO over Phil Jackson on March 29, 1996. The following May 31, Nielsen successfully defended his title for the second time with a fifth-round TKO over Michael Hunter.

Nielsen made his third IBO title defense when he took on former world heavyweight champion Larry Holmes on Jan. 24, 1997, in Copenhagen. In a fight the Danish press described as having "grabbed the public's imagination," Nielsen won a hard-fought, 12-round split decision by scores of 116-112, 115-113 and 115-116.

Holmes got off to a good start, using his world-famous jab to set the pace and build up points. He bloodied Nielsen's nose in the second. Nielsen, however, was younger, faster and continued to press the action. Holmes was in good shape and remained strong down the stretch but Nielsen, despite having a 10-fight knockout streak end, did enough to win.

Nielsen's popularity in Denmark rose to a fever pitch following the win over Holmes as word circulated that Nielsen had the inside track to be Mike Tyson's first opponent in his 1999 return to boxing. Nielsen even wrote a book entitled Super-Brian that chronicled his success and proved he had garnered enough star status to merit a shot at Tyson.

Rumors circulated that Nielsen's convincing IBO title defenses in Copenhagen over Don Steele on Nov. 14, 1997, and Lionel Butler on Nov. 6, 1998, made him the front-runner. One opponent, George Linberger, even refused to come out of his corner for the second round after taking a vicious beating from Nielsen in the first.

Nielsen's opportunity to face Tyson did not materialize, however, as Tyson instead chose South African Francois Botha as his next opponent on Jan. 16, 1999, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Five outings after falling apart against Ryan, Nielsen captured the International Boxing Council (IBC) heavyweight crown by scoring an eighth-round knockout over Troy Weida Jan. 14, 2000.

In his first IBC defense, Nielsen scored a fifth-round TKO over Jeremy Williams on April 28, 2000. Unsubstantiated rumors circulated before the bout that Williams had agreed to throw the fight. It all started when a story appeared in the Danish press that a gambling soccer agent had talked to Williams in the hotel prior to the fight.

"I will bet on you," the soccer agent said. "Do not bet on me, I will lose," Williams said, according to the story. The Danish Federation jumped into action and had Williams sign a document stating that he was indeed the Long Beach, Calif. heavyweight and that he had not been approached by anyone about losing on purpose. Williams denied any attempts to fix the fight and guaranteed he would put his best effort forward.

Nielsen got his revenge over Ryan on Dec. 1, 2000, by winning an eight-round decision. Currently 2-0 in 2001, Nielsen successfully defended his IBC title for a second time in his last bout by winning a unanimous 12-round decision over former world champion Orlin Norris on June 16. Nielsen, who did most of the pressing against the defensive-minded Norris, did not come close to a knockdown. He won by scores of 117-113 twice and 115-114.

BEFORE THE BELL - A QUICK GLIMPSE OF BRIAN NIELSEN

STYLE: A big, strong, tank-like guy, who is deceptively fast, is well known in Europe but a virtual unknown in the U.S. … A consistently hard-worker is not known for playing much defense, but often is able to slip punches enough to land his own bombs …. A plodding type who needs to apply constant pressure and works the body well….Throws hooks followed by overhand rights … For a time, it seemed he was near the front of the line to be Hasim Rahman's first title defense.

STRENGTHS: Home-field advantage: all but five of his fights have been in Denmark, including the last 27 …. Chin: he never has been knocked down as a professional or as an amateur …. Hand speed: he throws decent combinations for a guy his size …. Keeps busy: he has averaged nearly seven fights a year since turning pro …. Decent reflexes … Amateur experience.

WEAKNESSES: Lacks team speed (hand and foot) and quickness …. Quality of opposition: despite beating a fair share of "name" boxers, his record reads like a who's who of journeyman fighters … He never has been tested by a legitimate top-10 heavyweight in peak condition …. Sometimes becomes erratic in the ring …. Conditioning: he has been accused of carrying too much weight …. Prone to cuts and scars …. Defense: he does not move his head and can be nailed …. Rounds: he has gone 10 or more rounds just three times.

QUESTION MARKS: How good is he? … Is he catching Tyson at the right time?…. Can he corner Tyson long enough to mount and sustain a body attack … Is a guy who has been matched mostly against b-type fighters ready for the step up in class? …. Will the former undisputed heavyweight champion intimidate him? …. How will he react once Tyson connects? …. Can he avoid Tyson's big shots and take him into the later rounds? …. Can he hurt Tyson? …. Get his respect? …. How long will he be able to go before cuts become a factor?

Buckeye_01
October 3rd, 2001, 05:17 PM
...nevermind...

zcubed
October 3rd, 2001, 05:51 PM
Oh man, I was ready for a Tyson joke. Remember this one?:

What do you call Jeffrey Dahmer, David Koresh, and Mike Tyson?
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.The butcher, the baker, and the license plate maker!:cool:

travis_cornell
October 3rd, 2001, 07:39 PM
Lol, that was funny! Man Do I remember Mike in his pre-Don King days. He was a truly great fighter. I will always try to remember him in those days and not what he became.

johne5
October 3rd, 2001, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by travis_cornell
Lol, that was funny! Man Do I remember Mike in his pre-Don King days. He was a truly great fighter. I will always try to remember him in those days and not what he became.
So true, travis, nobody was more focused, and feared, than pre-King, Tyson!

martycone
October 4th, 2001, 11:52 AM
....and his opponent, in this corner, standing in a puddle of piss with a snot bubble in his nose....."Super" Brian Nielsen!!!

Sgt_Stedenko
October 4th, 2001, 01:09 PM
Does anyone think this fight will last beyond Round 1?

Alarmed
October 4th, 2001, 01:15 PM
This is a theorectical question so please don't flame me: pre Don King Mike Tyson against pre Mohomahed Ali Casius Clay, who is the winner? My money goes on Clay. Any body else with thoughts?

crownvic
October 4th, 2001, 02:06 PM
Well, Ali will go down in history as an all time great and also a draft dodger..As far as Tyson he as been fighting nobodies ever since he got out of prison. You really can't compare the 2 the career record of Tyson is pretty good. He his the only boxer I know that can break all the Rules and still be permitted to fight. He as had nothing but mismatches since he as been out.If I had to put an all time great in the heavyweight division it would be Rocky Marciano but you really can't compare him with the Heavyweights of today.
Vic..

Hellspawn2
October 4th, 2001, 03:36 PM
I would have to say that it would be ALI! because Tyson could never fight a good heavyweight that had a longer reach than him. Ali is a lot quicker and stronger then buster douglas and look at what happen there. Tyson is a great fighter i think the 2 reason that started his downfall 1.his trainers death 2.WOMEN ;)

Alarmed
October 4th, 2001, 04:42 PM
Well, you have to consider that there are just not many good heavyweights anymore. Holyfield is about over the hill, Rid---- Bowe flunked Marine Corps basic training, & Lewis hasn't ever had to face a strong opponent. The golden age of boxing was the late 60s-70s; Ali, Frasier, Foreman, Sphinx (Leon, not Micheal)& Larry Holmes. You even had the Great White Hope Cooney. The closest we have had to a good heavyweight since the mid 80s was that kid Tommy Morrison, & he had to pull Magic Johnson & get hiv.

I do remember a few years ago when RING magazine poured all the statistics of Marciano & Ali into a computer & let it crunch. It gave Rocky the edge in a 15 round decision.

I much prefer to watch the middleweights today, a lot more action there, if they would just go 15 rounds again.:cool:

crownvic
October 4th, 2001, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by Alarmed
I do remember a few years ago when RING magazine poured all the statistics of Marciano & Ali into a computer & let it crunch. It gave Rocky the edge in a 15 round decision.



Yeah I recall that,if only they where in the same era that would have been one eck of a fight. Rocky was really a slugger but his record still holds today.(The only Heavyweight to retire undefeated)
;)

CalgarySat
October 4th, 2001, 07:46 PM
Well it should be entertaining at any rate. Glad I'm not paying the $19.95 they're charging for it though. :) Hmmmmm .... here's something interesting. Last Saturday's Trinidad/Hopkins fight was $49.95 on PPV and Tyson/Neilson is only $19.95?! Can we say no one gives a rat's ass about Mikey anymore?

sampakalypse
October 5th, 2001, 01:16 AM
The Heavyweight division is dying... everybody is losing to everbody. Even the younger fighters (prime) have some losses already with just around 20 fights. W. Klistchko is probably the best heavyweight at the moment.

The Featherweight & Lightweight division is definitely the HOTTEST division right now. STACKED WITH A BUNCH OF TALENTED FIGHTERS.

crownvic
October 5th, 2001, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by sampakalypse
The Heavyweight division is dying... everybody is losing to everbody. Even the younger fighters (prime) have some losses already with just around 20 fights. W. Klistchko is probably the best heavyweight at the moment.

The Featherweight & Lightweight division is definitely the HOTTEST division right now. STACKED WITH A BUNCH OF TALENTED FIGHTERS.
Totally agree with ya sampakalypse,much more exciting.. ;)

aborne
October 5th, 2001, 07:56 PM
Say what you wish, when Mike had his head together he was a great fighter,but no way was he a boxer like Ali.
Brains,with Brawn to back it up VS. Brawn.
Ali wins if he makes it through the early rounds.
Rope a Dope? ;)

sampakalypse
October 5th, 2001, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by aborne
Say what you wish, when Mike had his head together he was a great fighter,but no way was he a boxer like Ali.
Brains,with Brawn to back it up VS. Brawn.
Ali wins if he makes it through the early rounds.
Rope a Dope? ;)

Rope-a-dope:D I remember that!
Ali v. Tyson= The Boxer v. The Puncher= The Boxer always win.

Alarmed
October 5th, 2001, 10:24 PM
I don't believe Tyson could have ever kept up with Ali. Ali had the reach & the speed. Look what happens to Tyson after about 5 rounds, he starts getting frustrated & hungry, hehe. Ali would have let him get winded & started about round 9. IF, & thats a mighty big IF, Tyson made it that far, it would be all over by round 12 or 13. Ali would be all over him like ants at a bar-b-que. Has anybody even went over 12 rounds since the Holmes days?

Sgt_Stedenko
October 6th, 2001, 12:00 PM
round 9??? Tyson usually gets frustrated if things don't go his way by the 3rd. That's when he starts whining to the ref and begins his WWF routine.

Was it Julian Francis that had advertisements on the bottom of his soles? That tells you the quality of boxers that Tyson's been fighting these past few years.

milogone
October 6th, 2001, 05:27 PM
Ok all the stats are here but WHEN is this fight? Saturday the 6th?

tinkr
October 6th, 2001, 06:40 PM
Saturday
10-13-01
Hope Tyson gets his ass kicked.

milogone
October 6th, 2001, 06:50 PM
Thanks man! It's always fun to see the Mike show!

crownvic
October 6th, 2001, 08:32 PM
Well the Manfreddy v Diaz fight was one of the best in a little while..
I had Diaz winning the fight,but it's just like Emanuel stated, Manfreddy had the cleaner and bigger punches.You really have to give it to these two guys for a great fight and sportsmanship.
I still give it to Diaz for remaining fare more active...(Great Fight)
Vic..

sampakalypse
October 6th, 2001, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by crownvic
Well the Manfreddy v Diaz fight was one of the best in a little while..
I had Diaz winning the fight,but it's just like Emanuel stated, Manfreddy had the cleaner and bigger punches.You really have to give it to these two guys for a great fight and sportsmanship.
I still give it to Diaz for remaining fare more active...(Great Fight)
Vic..

I watched that fight too, I thought Diaz deserved the decision also. Diaz... I always thought he wasn't an all that prospect. There's another prospect in that division who I think could be a potential champion. His name is Francisco "Panchito" Bohado, but he fights for SHOWTIME though. Anyways, Manfredy is now the number #1 contender for Spadafora's IBF crown, in which Manfredy's is going to lose in a Decision.

jedidog
October 10th, 2001, 10:55 AM
I will take Tyson, but this fight may have something to offer... Dont jynx me again Crownvic.

Sgt_Stedenko
October 10th, 2001, 11:36 AM
If memory serves me correctly, the fight will be tape delayed (5 hour difference between Denmark and Eastern North America).

Sooo, if you wish to be "surprised" at the outcome; stay away from the computer, radio or TV until fight time.

gilligan
October 10th, 2001, 02:02 PM
Tyson maybe on the down slide as far as his career goes, but millions of people are still going to tune in for the fight, because you never know what to expect when Mad Man Mike steps into the ring. I just hope Dave does'nt spoil the party until the fight is over...

crownvic
October 10th, 2001, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Sgt_Stedenko
If memory serves me correctly, the fight will be tape delayed (5 hour difference between Denmark and Eastern North America).

Sooo, if you wish to be "surprised" at the outcome; stay away from the computer, radio or TV until fight time.

Darn,
That Sux I want my $19.95 back:)

Alarmed
October 10th, 2001, 02:52 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sgt_Stedenko
[B]If memory serves me correctly, the fight will be tape delayed (5 hour difference between Denmark and Eastern North America).

That probably explains why it is only $19.95. You'll be able to see the highlights on ESPN before you can watch the whole thing. Who wants to do that?

Alarmed
October 10th, 2001, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by cellular
Tyson wins in a knockout or is disqualifed for bad behaviour.

I'm going for the latter.

Sgt_Stedenko
October 11th, 2001, 12:28 PM
I remember reading that the fight was going to be tape delayed. Of course that was back in August, shortly before the original fight which was scheduled for Sept. 6th.

They could show it live, but it would start at 4pm EST (Denmark is 5 hours ahead).

Weren't all of the other Tyson fights overseas shown tape delayed? I distinctly remember always seeing them starting at 9pm.

Sgt_Stedenko
October 11th, 2001, 12:39 PM
I just checked with the DirecTV website. This is what they have to say:

This fight is FREE to SHOWTIME subscribers on Channel 537 (East) or Channel 540 (West) at 10 p.m. ET/PT.

OR

Order by remote on DIRECT TICKETฎ Pay Per View Channel 102. Pay per view event airs at 10 p.m. ET/7 p.m. PT.
Only $19.95*

It sounds to me like it is in fact tape delayed. I doubt they would fight at 5 in the morning over there.

tinkr
October 11th, 2001, 12:56 PM
LOL!
Well,5 hours makes it late aftn.,,
but those time things confuse me also!
I just hope that it stays "clean" so
that if Tyson loses,it is not by
disqualification.

Sgt_Stedenko
October 11th, 2001, 01:17 PM
Seeing as it's being shown at 10pm EST, that equates to 3am Sunday morning in Denmark. Factor in a few undercard fights, and the fight would have to be broadcast live at 5am DST (Denmark time).

FYI, they are 5 hours AHEAD of us on the east coast.

crownvic
October 11th, 2001, 01:32 PM
Maybe thats the only time that Tyson can get safely to the ring:)

Sgt_Stedenko
October 12th, 2001, 01:38 PM
Hehehe...you never know. :)

crownvic
October 13th, 2001, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Sgt_Stedenko
I just checked with the DirecTV website. This is what they have to say:

This fight is FREE to SHOWTIME subscribers on Channel 537 (East) or Channel 540 (West) at 10 p.m. ET/PT.

OR

Order by remote on DIRECT TICKETฎ Pay Per View Channel 102. Pay per view event airs at 10 p.m. ET/7 p.m. PT.
Only $19.95*

It sounds to me like it is in fact tape delayed. I doubt they would fight at 5 in the morning over there.

I would sooner subsribe to Showtime for a month it would be cheaper:) ..

rdub
October 13th, 2001, 05:10 PM
i just went to my home page and they ruined it for me but im still gonna watch. damn tape delays!

Sgt_Stedenko
October 14th, 2001, 10:35 AM
That's probably why they were charging $19.95 for non-Showtime subscribers. To motivate them to go with the movie package.

After seeing the fight, I think they should have gotten LESLIE Nielsen to go up against Tyson. It would have been much more entertaining, and they wouldn't have had to change the advertising promos (ie. Tyson vs. Nielsen). :gg

so.calguy
October 14th, 2001, 11:50 PM
i was pretty stoked to see mikey kick jabba the danish boy's butt

DSSBIGDOG
October 15th, 2001, 08:05 AM
i dont think danish boy was to much of a fighter but the boy took one hell of a beating , I thought tyson was going to kill him , its a good thing they threw in the towel .

CanadianMetalMan
October 15th, 2001, 08:21 AM
I agree. Not much of a fight but boy could that guy take a punch!

gilligan
October 15th, 2001, 12:18 PM
No doubt he will be pissin blood for a month...

Crestman
October 15th, 2001, 03:05 PM
No doubt he will be pissin blood for a month

Yup...right into his new gold toilet. Clearly he took the fight to make the money....And to make the 6th round was a bonus buck...What a joke...Did anyone notice that when "fat boy" actually threw a good combination it really landed well...A good fighter will pick Tyson apart...He doesn't have the power he once had does he?..Some good fights on Pride though hey...

crestman

sampakalypse
October 15th, 2001, 09:56 PM
He still has his power, it's just that he's a lil rusty, especially after a year. His previous fights totaled less than 5 rounds all together.

crownvic
October 16th, 2001, 05:32 AM
No doubt the power is still there but he could have got in the ring with a punch bag,Thats all it was this weekend "target practice".
He needs at least 2 fights with caliber opponents before he is ready for a title shot..
This fight looked like a Rhino fighting an Elephant...LOL like I said another Joke. :gg
CYA Vic:cool: :cool:

crownvic
October 16th, 2001, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by cellular
I like Mike, the boxer. As a human being he lacks many of the qualities we expect in a decent person, but as a Boxer I would take him even money against any of the Heavyweights fighting right now. He is still in good shape, bigger and stronger than ever, and hits as hard as anyone.

I agree with you Cell,
But the truth is Mike needs to be clean and fight by the Rules..
This is the only time in the last 3 years that he was a good boy and I think that he realizes that his Mental problems Do not belong in the Ring. I Would still like to see him up against a name contender Like Lewis..LOL..
The Rhino meets Godzilla..he he he. :cool:
Tyson would probabaly win, But I would still be betting on Lewis.
Anyway lets see what happens when Lewis as the rematch,I'll bet Ya that he gets the title back.
;)