Big Trouble ???

[Leetch66]

I don't like this one bit ! Is Sheila Copps trying to tell our Judges how this ruling should go ?
From today's National Post...which is one paper Bell does not own !!!


SPECIAL REPORT


December 8, 2001
Ottawa will dog grey-market satellite firms
Ian Jack
Financial Post
OTTAWA - The federal government will continue efforts to block grey-market satellite distributors from doing business in Canada regardless of a Supreme Court of Canada decision expected by next spring, sources say.
Ottawa is considering issuing a public statement before Christmas backing Bell ExpressVu and other licensed Canadian operators, and will change the legislation governing satellite distribution if the Supreme Court rules in favour of a small company that sells direct-to-home decoders that receive U.S. signals, sources said.
Sheila Copps, the Heritage Minister, told a Canadian industry group this week she will ensure the government's interpretation of the Radiocommunications Act, which is that it bans grey market satellite distribution, is upheld regardless of the court ruling.
She told the group she wants to issue a statement jointly with Brian Tobin, the Industry Minister, in the coming weeks.
Mr. Tobin would be prepared to sign off on such a statement, a source said.
The government's signalling of its intention is a blow to Can-Am Satellites of Maple Ridge, B.C., and other grey marketers. Can-Am has won two cases in provincial appeal courts, arguing the issue is freedom of expression and unfettered access to public airwaves. Both courts concluded it does not violate the Act, as written, to sell decoders in Canada.
ijack@nationalpost.com

Copyright © 2001 National Post Online

[Parbinthere]

What do you make of this BS GS2???

[Itchy]

Heritage Minister Shiela Copps, what a FU**IN joke, I am certainly glad she is taking an interest in what I as a supposedly free citizen watch on TV.

Here is a better idea, why doesn't the Government just allow Dave to market his wears here in Canada, oops I forgot, the Canadian content rule. Heaven forbid we as Canadians are not forcibly required to watch countless reruns of the Beachcombers and Anne of Green Gables on 7 different local CBC feeds across Canada. The government has its own hands tied here. Dave is not going to get licensed if he has to provide 200 channels full of Canadian content, so they will have to make changes to the CRTC, then all hell will break loose.

Shiela, mind your own business and think a little before opening those useless pieces of flesh we refer to as lips.

[gunsmoke2]

Copps has always been against us. The government has been against us. The idea of changing the legislation is not new as we have heard for years now that if we won that Government would simply change the Act.


It just goes to show what we have been dealing with.


A Government in bed with Bell ExpressVu.


I can't really comment on this other than want shes says or any Public announcement they make should have no effect on the Supreme Court Decision. I personally feel this is undermining the SC Judges and this will not help ExpressVu in their proproganda


I would have to get an opinion from our lawyers if they would be open to litigation on this or how this might fit into a Charter motion.


Bell and the Government are very sick


GS2

[RiseStar]

Shows the Canadian Liberal Government has no respect for the Canadian Judicial System unless it rules in their favor.

Actions such as they describe despite a favorable ruling in our favor could open them to serious damages and contempt of court one might imagine.

[Leetch66]

Everyone , I just sent a copy of this article from the Post to every newspaper in my Province along with explaining my feelings towards this issue and how my customers feel about being treated like Communists in a supposedly free country .

I highly suggest everybody should do the same . We need more noise ! We cannot expect GS2 , TTRK and Incredible[sorry if I missed anyone] to do it all for us . We have to let our local editors KNOW we will not take this crap ! People must start speaking out in every Province .

All you have to do is look up Newspapers in Canada , find your Province and start Emailing . In that letter do not forget to mention your local Dipshi* Politician's name...certainly if he is Liberal for sure !
Bring up the fact that you will vote for the opposition if your loocal MP supports these same views . Send it also to your MP . We need that list of MP's again to do this ! Can someone dig it up ?

Some papers might not print it or whatever , but , BCE/Bell do NOT own every paper yet !


At least we have to try and get our dear old Sheila Copp's feelings towards 1 Million Canadian's watching TV of their OWN choice and not that of BCE or Bell made known to everybody that has a cband or DTV/Echo system in this Country ! Our votes still count for something !!!

[Itchy]

Just in case anyone is interested here is how you can contact Sheila Copps.

(613) 995-2772
(613) 992-2727
coppss@parl.gc.ca

I think it would be a very good idea to start an email or phone campaign letting her know she has no right to make those statements. Sheila and the Liberals cannot simply get into bed with large corporations to ensure their interests are kept ahead of the citizens of Canada, especially pending the outcome of the Supreme Court decision.

[jethro22]

With everything that is happenning in this world Im glad to see that our government has not put these really important issues asside (oops)

well i can assure u 1 thing
Bell cellular will lose my business (1500.00$/mth)
I am switching my long distance carrier
my high speed bell will be cancelled this week and replaced by a satellite delivered service from the US
I will never vote liberal again
and I WILL NEVER EVER EVER SUBSCRIBE TO BELL EXPRESS VU

U SHOULD DO THE SAME

[gunsmoke2]

http://www.legal-rights.org/newspapers/coppsfp.html



I guess Bell ExpressPuke is our Government. They finally came out of the closet. Thanks Bell ExpressPuke for arranging a golf match with Tiger Woods and Jeanny Creepian.


Can you make it anymore obvious


GS2

[1 CRAZY CANUCK]

Leetch66:
Thank you for bringing this small matter to the site.
I'll forward this statement to a friend in the HOUSE. - eh!
Cause, something "smelling like a night of group ---!"; and, I know Reg.'s got some "love-letters" of mine on file; where I beleive Mr. Tobin stated he wasn't going to make any statement and was leaving it all up to the Courts' judgements. [Now, I honestly can't remember the exact wording. But, TTRK's got it "filed" in his Legal-Rights.Org. Forum's archives.]
I guess this means I've got to remind the "Puppets on the Hill" of some serious stuff that was hashed over once before.
Ah! GS2, I can't do that I'm still waiting for the abolishment of the GST..he! he!
Now, as far as the "Crystal Radio Telecommunications Commission", need I say more? And, contacting the newspapers [especially, my local print] has little effect when you want them to "print" in their editorial. Unless, you word it so "wishy-washy"; than, what's the point! I'm not saying I'll do nothing; but, a little research might be in order; and, I know just who to ask! I think I'd have trouble accepting the fact of calling this country "Canuba". - eh!

[1 CRAZY CANUCK]

Also, I know it to be a fact, that Sheila Copps has put her foot in her mouth, once too often; and, had to be repremanded.
But, I did e-mail a copy of that reporter's story to my friend. And, I will get a response [probably with a "Not again!" he! he!]
:D

[mrde]

Sheila Copps is just blowing smoke out of her ass like she does evertime she opens that mouth of hers. She and Tobin are going to run for the Liberal leadership and this is her way of telling the rest of the Liberal Party that she and Tobin are buddies. If you think this out by the time the ruling comes down from the courts and she can get the GOVERNMENT lawyers to change the law so it won't affect the constitution there will already be a leadership race going on before it even hits the floor. She knows that if Paul Martin wins the race which will no doubt happen she will end up in the back row in a corner giving BJ's until she retires. By the way I am from the F@#@@n city that elects this bitch every time they call an election. That is why we are a non entity in Ontario.

Anyway my point is don't lose focus from the true trouble at hand with the Supreme Court. Let the politicians blow smoke especially Sheila as her time is coming to an end. By the way all the elected Liberal politicians in this city don't even acknowledge her because of her way she has screwed this city. One problem I have with the whole thing is if Bell did win which I doubt how many of those people that have Bell dishes up beside their other dishes will come down?:eek:

[hellbornex]

I to have bell expresspuke and DTV side by side and if Supreme Court rules in favour of Bell Express Puke, then both dishes will come down. And Ill give my money back to Ted Rogers instead lol.

Ive already emailed Bell Mobility and Bell Expressview of my intentions. In addition I have forwarded those emails to Rogers@home and Rogers Cable....In hopes they will use this knowledge to thier benefit, ie advertising etc.

[Jeet]

Let's just say the government does change the legislation and makes it an absolute prohibition to decrypt a signal without prior permission from the person who is authorized to distribute that signal in Canada.

Judges have already ruled that such an interpretation, if that is what Sec. 9.1(c) in its current form really means, would violate the charter.

If Parliament ever intends to pass any legislation which violates the charter then there are strict steps they must be able to meet, otherwise known as the Oakes Case. Parliament can not pass any legislation that violates the charter and expect the courts to uphold it. No legislation can be passed by Parliament that violates that charter. Well actually Parliament can but they have a high bar that they must pass in order for the court's to accept that violation.

The only exception to all of this is if Parliament invokes the not-withstanding clause when passing legislation. The courts then can not overrule that legilsation. But the chances of the current government using the the not-withstanding clause are pretty slim, considering everyone tries to condemn Quebec when they use it.

Anyways just my two cents worth.

[1 CRAZY CANUCK]

That to has to be Government agency approved via CRTC. And, if I'm not mistaken that's been what started this expensive "Crap"! - eh!
Canadian Content has been a big burr in the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's BUTT, for the longest time.
If it was all that simple; wouldn't one think BEV would of done this, instead of spending millions shooting themselves in the FOOT!

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Everyone,


Here is EVERYTHING that is needed for us to make a BIG FUSS about this outrageous statement to the National Post. I have posted the letter below on IM and RISE in almost every thread. Doug if you can (1Crazy Canuck) please cut and paste it and post it on other forums too. It has taken me all night to do it so I wont be up early but if you are, PLEASE POST AWAY my good friend. To get the POST exactly as is, click on the EDIT above right and cut and paste it as is. I will send you an E-mail of it to be sue you get it all. And dont be afraid to blame it on me. I like the HEAT as I have nothing to loopse bud.

I am not sure how many of you have seen the newspaper article below and what our Minister Shiela Copps thinks of Democracy as it concerns the Satellite Community in Canada but I hope it makes our collective blood boil. This totally undemocratic stance makes MOCKERY of the fact that the satellite community has raised a LOT of money and has done the right thing in having confidence in our Supreme Court. I believe that this article will greatly offend the Supreme Court and may even make them rule quickly in this matter. I assure everyone that this will NOT affect them negatively and that it will only serve to piss them off, liberals included, in that a minister of the Government is depreciating the role of the RULE of law in Canada.

Overall this cannot be bad for us and if we make use of it, by complaining to all our politicos and the press, then it could BENEFIT us bigtime.

The important thing here is that we DO NOT let this die on the vine. I am asking every ONE of YOU to take this letter, place your name on it and customize it slightly to fit YOUR SITUATION (as a dealer, viewer or whatever) and E-mail it to ALL of Canada's politicians. I have posted lists of these for ease of E-mailing at the following addresses.

For those who are unsure of HOW to do a MASS MAILING all you have to do is CUT and PASTE around 50 names at a time into the BCC header on your E-mail and address it to someone, preferably the Prime Minister.

If you Don't have a BCC then just Cut and Paste them into the normal ADDRESS HEADER or TO: in the E-mail. As long as they are separated by Commas "," then the letter will be sent to all the people whose addresses you have included. It may take 5 or 10 letters to get them out to everyone on the lists.

NEVER EVER has something been so VERY IMPORTANT and I implore and BEG you all to take a half-hour of your time and DO THIS. It is really critical and will be a tremendous opportunity missed to catch a MP making a very undemocratic statement and do NOTHING. This is MORE important than ANY DONATION and it does NOT cost you a single penny. All it takes is a few moments of your time. I have spent some 20 hours making up these mailing lists so that all you need to do is Cut and Paste so please don't let this chance pass. We have been screwed continuously by the government on this issue, PLEASE DO NOT LET it HAPPEN AGAIN.

Your letters, coming from many sources, will open a LOT of EYES and scare people into realizing that their support will diminish by statements like this. I have spent half the day sending this to the media and PRESS all across Canada and to all politicians but while the press need only be told ONCE, the more often the politicians get this from different people the MORE they are FORCED to PAY ATTENTION.

Please folks, take the time and DO IT.

The letter is also available here as are all the Mail lists.

http://www.Legal-rights.org/lettrepost.html

http://www.Legal-rights.org/Documents/liberals.html

http://www.Legal-rights.org/pclist.html

http://www.Legal-rights.org/alliance.html

Note: There is a problem with the legal-rights website tonight that prevents me uploading but this should NOT be the case by tomorrow morning :)



Dear Sirs or Madam,

The following is an article from the National Post on December 8, 2001. This comes only days after the Supreme Court of Canada heard the appeal of Bell Expressvu v. Can-Am which concerns all Canadians. I am one of those affected by this forthcoming decision and live under the rule of law in Canada.

How can a Minister of the Government disregard our Supreme Court so openly when the “rule of law in“ Canada requires just the opposite stance?

This stance clearly puts the system of justice in Canada into disrepute and I will work with many other Canadians to make this point with the public and point out that the citizens last recourse between the Government and the law is now non-existent due to the liberal government stance. It is also an affront to other members of parliament who may not act in such an un-democratic and autocratic manner. This is a clear example of how democracy can fail when one party has such tremendous electoral power and in view of this many Canadians may well change their political allegiance after this point is made.

Mr. Richard Rex, the owner of Ca-Am now finds that he has been dragged through the entire justice system in Canada, first in the B.C. Superior (supreme) courts where he won, then to the B.C. Appeals court where he won again, all at great cost and difficulty to be then appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada. Now only 4 days after presenting his case there at a cost of approaching $100,000.00, he is told that the law in Canada is meaningless and this Minister Shiela Copps as well as Mr. Brian Tobin will decide against him REGARDLESS of what the Supreme Court of Canada rules. This in support of one of Canada’s richest communications companies who obtained that position by operating a Government mandated monopoly phone company for many years in this country. This is an outrage and an affront to all of us who live under the “rule of law” and the system by which Canadians have lived throughout our history.

I urge you to take action and bring this to the fore and to ensure that Canadians have the protection conferred on them by our parliament and which we have always had the comfort of. Rejecting our law in support of a commercial interest like Bell Expressvu can encourage Canadians to believe that there is no law in Canada and that only MONEY counts and possibly act accordingly. That is a Canada that could sink into anarchy giving up all that our forefathers have fought for over the last 100 years or more.

Yours truly,

YOUR NAME HERE
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Ottawa will dog grey-market satellite firms


Ian Jack
Financial Post
December 8, 2001

OTTAWA - The federal government will continue efforts to block grey-market satellite distributors from doing business in Canada regardless of a Supreme Court of Canada decision expected by next spring, sources say.

Ottawa is considering issuing a public statement before Christmas backing Bell ExpressVu and other licensed Canadian operators, and will change the legislation governing satellite distribution if the Supreme Court rules in favour of a small company that sells direct-to-home decoders that receive U.S. signals, sources said.

Sheila Copps, the Heritage Minister, told a Canadian industry group this week she will ensure the government's interpretation of the Radiocommunications Act, which is that it bans grey market satellite distribution, is upheld regardless of the court ruling.

She told the group she wants to issue a statement jointly with Brian Tobin, the Industry Minister, in the coming weeks.

Mr. Tobin would be prepared to sign off on such a statement, a source said.

The government's signaling of its intention is a blow to Can-Am Satellites of Maple Ridge, B.C., and other grey marketers. Can-Am has won two cases in provincial appeal courts, arguing the issue is freedom of expression and unfettered access to public airwaves. Both courts concluded it does not violate the Act, as written, to sell decoders in Canada.

ijack@nationalpost.com

Cut and paste the parts between the lines and then paste all the names in the mail lists into the BSS header if you have one or into the TO: normal e-mail address space if you don't. Either will send the letter but using the BCC field will NOT make it look like a chain letter or SPAM. Each one is addressed individually when its in the BCC as though they were sent a CARBON COPY. BCC means BLIND Carbon Copy because they do NOT see who you sent it to, just the adressee (the PM) and them. The PM's E-mail address is:

"Mr.Jean Chrétien"<pm@pm.gc.ca>

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[Jeet]

Looks like the first post did not register, so if it did and this is a duplicate post I apologize.

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