Mounties!!! The Whole Legal Thing! Read This!!

[sugar ray]

hey all! maybe someone can clear this up. im a small time dealer in a little town. let's just say, that the NEW law was passed on may 19,2002 that ALL greymarket dishes and hacked cards were deem ILLEGAL in canada!

could a person be prosecuted for violations that occured BEFORE the date the law was passed?? if so we are ALL in trouble!

what raises a very interesting point to me, is i know for a fact that over 50% of our local police OWN and operate hacked DTV systems! would the mounties NOT also be breaking this new law? if passed? what effect would prosecuting them be?

such a petty crime! were NOT killing anyone!

[RiseStar]

No, because previous to that the law was in a state of flux.

However, after is an entirely different story...

[To The Real King!!]

Hi Everyone,

Please do NOT take what Minister Copps stated to the BANK. While she may want to do this the problem may be far more complex than is realized.

She said that to cause confusion as she probably realized from the AG's office that they have a VERY SLIM chance of getting a ruling in their favor.

So the idea is to reek confusion and cause people to feel ill at ease no matter what the ruling is. That is the idea here.

Remember that we still have a charter issue here and the court agrees that this is definitely something that will have to be ruled on. The SCC cannot rule on it since there is no "record" in place and this is an appeals court, not a court of first instance. Because we have WON all the previous cases where this was in play (constitutional issues) it will have to go back to the lower courts for a ruling FIRST.

Remember that if they do ANYTHING short of authorize the Americans to sell here (which would stop our arguments) anything ELSE would still allow us to invoke the charter. Anything that creates a PROHIBITION AND does NOT allow Canadians the right to buy American programming will CONTRAVENE OUR RIGHTS under the charter.

Now many simple folks do not understand this but that IS the way it is. And you can BE SURE that allowing the American Broadcasters in is the WORST CASE scenario of the monopoly broadcasters like Bell ExpressVu.

So the Government will be in a serious Quandry. They are virtually BLOCKED no matter which way they turn short of what is RIGHT in a democracy and they SURE don't want to do that as their commercial buddies DO NOT WANT THAT AT ALL.

So please READ BETWEEN THE LINES here. There is really no way out for the government and the last thing they want to do is SHOW Canadians that they are undemocratic. So they will make squawking noises like Copps did but they REALLY DO NOT KNOW what to do if we win or WHEN we win :)

So have patience, this is a LONG way from having fully played out. Its MUCH more complex than many realize and it will NEVER be settled unless the Americans are allowed to sell OPENLY in Canada. That is THE ONLY way that they can prevent people from hacking the US signal and be in conformity with the laws, both constitutional and those on the books or that they could possibly PUT on the books.

Prohibiting reception without allowing purchase will ALWAYS remain against our constitutional rights and there is D I C K ALL that Shiela Copps can do about it. So please do NOT panic and read my post in the sticky at the top of this forum and please DO what is mentioned there. That is the best thing we can do to counter this and all it costs is a bit of time and efforthttp://www.legal-rights.org/images/ttrk.gif
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Thanks & Good Luck,

To The REAL King!!

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[mark669]

TTRK - Well Said!

Hell! Next the government will want to stop me from listening to the BBC World Service on my shortwave.

I seem to remember something about that recently.....OH YEA! Now I remember. It was on Channel 202. The Taliban were preventing people from watching TV and listening to radios....and we all know what happened to them. Just check channel 202 or 204.

Have a Good One!

669

[transporter]

you guys should contact Lowell green at CFRA radio in ottawa , he
does a very popular right wing radio morning show . this might get
things rolling.

[X_Factor]

I live very close to the US border and can get Buffolo stations on my antenna. Would I be deemed a criminal for doing this ??? Total prohibition is not realistic and will face way too many obsticals. What about radio waves ?? Illegal also ?? Guess I am not getting anymore howard stern . Hey King..Have you ever thought about contacting Howard about this ?? This is just the kind of thing that he would love to put on his show ?

[Daveee]

Well with some shortwave broadcasters now toying with transmitting digial signals instead of AM or FM.. The fact they are starting to move to digital transmissions makes me wonder if there idea about making digitally encrypted transmission from the USA illegal.. might cover this area to.. as they right now cant clearly read the current radio act.. Also for the guys who regularly intercept encrypted HF traffic might also be in trouble. Well I guess we'll have to see what is going to happen. Remember.. write to Reps.. write to the opposition parties.. tell your friends.. Its bad enough Canada feels communist with this current government.. we gotta do something about it.

[seymour_teevee]

Originally posted by X_Factor
I live very close to the US border and can get Buffolo stations on my antenna. Would I be deemed a criminal for doing this ???

No. Those OTA signals are free, unencrypted, and require only NTSC, for analog, or ATSC, for digital, tuning equipment (common technical transmission and reception specs for both the U.S. and Canada) for reception and viewing. Furthermore the content rights holders have accepted that such signals will cross the international border and be viewed. The same holds true for Canadian free OTA signals received in the U.S.

[gunsmoke2]

Thanks for pointing that out seymour but that only shows how stupid the twisted interpretation of the RC act is by the Government and ExpressPuke by saying you are free to watch Buffalo over a roof top antenna but you can't watch the *exact* channel that is encrypted that you wish to pay for through Grey market. When you pay through Grey market the copyright holder is paid directly I may add.


There are two encrypted Radio services delivered by Satellite to your car and if we take the twisted interpretation of the opposition then all Americans including you seymour will have to remove your radio player from your car when you come to the Canadian border of face criminal charges because their twisted interpretation says there is a "total prohibition"


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[gunsmoke2]

Quote from the respondent's factum


It is accordingly submitted that Parliament did not intend to prevent Canadians from receiving television programming from the United States. The broadcast regulatory regime that the Canadian broadcasting system operates under does not include restrictions on the reception of foreign (i.e. U.S.) satellite signals, just as it does not include restrictions on the unregulated television airwaves received by Canadians with television antennas, or the U.S. radio signals received in Canada.

In general, there has never been in Canada any legislative effort to regulate, much less prohibit, the reception or viewing of foreign signals. There is no basis for viewing section 9(1)(c) as a unique and extraordinary exception to this general policy only in the case of encrypted signals




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